for all the morons claiming he has a right to speak ...looks like it backfired
Sep 25 11:30 AM US/Eastern
By NASSER KARIMI
Associated Press Writer
Ahmadinejad Responds to Criticism from Columbia’s Bollinger
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Iranians on Tuesday called the combative introduction of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad by the head of Columbia University "shameful" and said the harsh words only added to their image of the United States as a bully.
In a region where the tradition of hospitality outweighs personal opinions about people, many here thought Columbia University President Lee Bollinger's aggressive tone—including telling Ahmadinejad that he exhibited the signs of a "petty and cruel dictator"—was over the top.
"The surprising point of the last night meeting is the behavior of the university president," state-run radio reported, describing Bollinger's introduction as "full of insult, which was mostly Zionists' propaganda against Iran."
The chancellors of seven Iranian universities issued a letter on Tuesday to Bollinger saying his statements were "deeply shameful" and invited him to Iran.
In the letter, they asked him to respond to 10 questions ranging from: "Why did the U.S. support the bloodthirsty dictator Saddam Hussein during the 1980-88 Iraqi-imposed war on Iran?" to "Why has the U.S. military failed to find al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden even with all its advanced equipment?"
Ahmadinejad's visit to New York to attend the U.N. General Assembly has created a stir and thousands have protested his there.
Despite calls to cancel Ahmadinejad's question-and-answer forum at Columbia, Bollinger said the hardline leader, known for his anti- Israel and U.S. rhetoric, should be allowed to speak.
Ahmadinejad smiled at first in response to Bollinger's words, then decried the "insults" and "unfriendly treatment." In his speech, Ahmadinejad portrayed himself as an intellectual and argued that his administration respected reason and science. He even drew audience applause at times, such as when he bemoaned the plight of the Palestinians.
But the Iranian also found himself drawn into the type of rhetoric that has alienated American audiences in the past. He questioned the official version of the Sept. 11 attacks and defended Holocaust revisionists.
While Ahmadinejad likely expected at worst a hostile grilling by the audience, Bollinger's sardonic comments reflected a blatant disregard for the tradition of hospitality revered in the Middle East. His comments may deflect some of the U.S. criticism he got for issuing the invitation to the Iranian president, but it could also backfire by drawing sympathy for Ahmadinejad, even in quarters where he would normally be sharply criticized.
"I don't know why he (Ahmadinejad) stayed there and did not leave the meeting. Their attitude was an insult to the nature of the meeting. They should not treat him as a suspect," said Mahmoud Rouhi, a nurse, in Tehran. Though state media did not broadcast Monday's event live in Farsi, state-run TV showed a recorded version on Tuesday.
"The meeting and their approach showed that Americans, even in a cultural position, are cowboys and nothing more," said Rasoul Qaresi, shopping at a grocery store in Tehran.
Ahmadinejad's international allies have also taken his side. Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who is expecting a visit from Ahmadinejad later this week, said he spoke by phone with the Iranian leader on Monday after his tense showdown at Columbia.
"I congratulate him, in the name of the Venezuelan people, before a new aggression of the U.S. empire," Chavez said, adding that it seemed Ahmadinejad was the subject of "an ambush."
Ahmadinejad is set to address the U.N. General Assembly later Tuesday. Thousands of people protested Ahmadinejad's visit Monday and more were expected to rally in the streets Tuesday when the Iranian leader attends the meeting for the third time in three years.
Defekted
09-26-2007, 09:08 AM
He won sympathy not because of his motivating words, his charisma, and his intellect..... he won sympathy cause everyone from this administration, to the president of columbia, to the protestors outside recieved him as if he was the devil reincarnated. Giving him way too much credit and attention, thus actually acheiving the impossible, making a lunatic divorced from reality into a sympathetic statesmen.....
We could have made him come in and out of nyc without a whisper, without notice.... and he would be going back home with his hands empty and still with tremendous domestic unrest, but now he comes back to Iran as if he was Daniel in the Lions Den.....
Use your head for once.
jameznyhc
09-26-2007, 09:20 AM
He won sympathy not because of his motivating words, his charisma, and his intellect..... he won sympathy cause everyone from this administration, to the president of columbia, to the protestors outside recieved him as if he was the devil reincarnated. Giving him way too much credit and attention, thus actually acheiving the impossible, making a lunatic divorced from reality into a sympathetic statesmen.....
We could have made him come in and out of nyc without a whisper, without notice.... and he would be going back home with his hands empty and still with tremendous domestic unrest, but now he comes back to Iran as if he was Daniel in the Lions Den.....
Use your head for once.
no shit i knew this was going to happen ..he should have been ignored, and not given any oppurtunity ..you were the one who was saying he should speak..dialogue is great ..lol ..When its comes to an unreasonable nut whats the sense of giving him that platform ...nobody is talking about his ridiculous statements about homosexuals..theyre all talking about how poorly he was treated by the bad mean USA ...good for you dumb liberal fucks..maybe you/ll learn next time
Defekted
09-26-2007, 09:29 AM
no shit i knew this was going to happen ..he should have been ignored, and not given any oppurtunity ..you were the one who was saying he should speak..dialogue is great ..lol ..When its comes to an unreasonable nut whats the sense of giving him that platform ...nobody is talking about his ridiculous statements about homosexuals..theyre all talking about how poorly he was treated by the bad mean USA ...good for you dumb liberal fucks..maybe you/ll learn next time
maybe you didnt understand my post, so ill repeat it.... or maybe i should type like this and post cool pictures since thats show you get your news, lol....
I said it isnt him speaking that caused his status to rise back home, cause if it was entirely about his words it would be evident that he is a looney tune....its the way we greeted him the way we attacked him the way we ignored him at the UN that makes him look sympathetic.... if we were to talk to him, let him speak to students without trashing him right before he uttered a word, etc etc etc we would be much better off.... let him speak as much as he wants in any forum, and let his words destroy his image, instead we helped it!
jameznyhc
09-26-2007, 09:45 AM
maybe you didnt understand my post, so ill repeat it.... or maybe i should type like this and post cool pictures since thats show you get your news, lol....
I said it isnt him speaking that caused his status to rise back home, cause if it was entirely about his words it would be evident that he is a looney tune....its the way we greeted him the way we attacked him the way we ignored him at the UN that makes him look sympathetic.... if we were to talk to him, let him speak to students without trashing him right before he uttered a word, etc etc etc we would be much better off.... let him speak as much as he wants in any forum, and let his words destroy his image, instead we helped it!
Maybe you didnt understand my post ..No Platform No sympathy No Media coverage .. plain an simple.. we"ve had years of this nut rambling why did we need to give him a stage at colombia.. it worked perfectly for his propaganda ..and morons like you wanted this forum to happen lol .. anyway from the dean of colombia to all the idiot leftists who wanted this to happen you all have egg of your faces .. WE TOLD YOU WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN ..
Defekted
09-26-2007, 10:01 AM
Maybe you didnt understand my post ..No Platform No sympathy No Media coverage .. plain an simple.. we"ve had years of this nut rambling why did we need to give him a stage at colombia.. it worked perfectly for his propaganda ..and morons like you wanted this forum to happen lol .. anyway from the dean of colombia to all the idiot leftists who wanted this to happen you all have egg of your faces .. WE TOLD YOU WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN ..
If we deny him ground zero, deny him speaking at the university, deny him an US audience during his speech at the UN, deny deny deny. .... you dont think that he would come back sympathetic? you dont think he can come back to his people and say look at these bullies, look at their culture of hospitality.... look how they denied me to lay a wreath to pay my respects, to speak at a university to students in vigorous debate, to pay me the diplomatic respect of any statesmen .... they act like children and bullies
all he has to do its invest 75cents and buy your coloring book (for 2nd graders) and the daily news (coloring book for 5th graders) and hold it up to his people and say "look at their two main newspapers "evil has landed" and "go to hell" ... they dont want to talk to debate our differences ... etc etc....
ideally what should have happened was him speak at the university, without the introduction from hell... without the applause and the boos.... let him speak, shake his hand at the end and say goodbye, thank you for participating.... then at the UN we should be PRESENT when he speaks, to show that we are willing to fucking hear him talk, and after he talks we can either disagree 100% or 90% or 50% in a diplomatic, intelligent way.....
but again im saying this to a kid who thinks the POST is a legitimate newspaper. Who thinks war is a video game and Iran is the next level...... who wont dare enlist to walk the walk.... he will let poor John Doe from kansas pull the triggers.... so I know all I said above falls on deaf ears... its a concept you cant understand, because things like diplomacy and using intellectual debate is something foreign to the garbage you educate yourself with....
no biggie man... ignorance is bliss, and some people are content living in fantasy worlds.... i prefer reality.
Babes
09-26-2007, 10:20 AM
maybe you didnt understand my post, so ill repeat it.... or maybe i should type like this and post cool pictures since thats show you get your news, lol....
I said it isnt him speaking that caused his status to rise back home, cause if it was entirely about his words it would be evident that he is a looney tune....its the way we greeted him the way we attacked him the way we ignored him at the UN that makes him look sympathetic.... if we were to talk to him, let him speak to students without trashing him right before he uttered a word, etc etc etc we would be much better off.... let him speak as much as he wants in any forum, and let his words destroy his image, instead we helped it!
I agree...as always the media making a big fuss, giving it too much attention, and just fueling his bizzaro thinking
Defekted
09-26-2007, 10:23 AM
I agree...as always the media making a big fuss, giving it too much attention, and just fueling his bizzaro thinking
Viva Colombia! lol
jameznyhc
09-26-2007, 10:27 AM
Viva Colombia! lol
what did you expect after the minutemen were violent attacked on stage last year?? ...the looney left doing as much damage as ever..i thought that was a horrible incident ..but this iranian incident takes the cake ..i guess its ok to throw pies at coulter, attack the minutemen, etc ..but dont you dare introduce him as a dictactor lol ..
Defekted
09-26-2007, 10:33 AM
what did you expect after the minutemen were violent attacked on stage last year?? ...the looney left doing as much damage as ever..i thought that was a horrible incident ..but this iranian incident takes the cake ..i guess its ok to throw pies at coulter, attack the minutemen, etc ..but dont you dare introduce him as a dictactor lol ..
Im sorry correct me if im wrong but was it a couple of students who threw the pie or was it the president of the university??? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.... thanks next spinjob please. :)
jameznyhc
09-26-2007, 10:35 AM
If we deny him ground zero, deny him speaking at the university, deny him an US audience during his speech at the UN, deny deny deny. .... you dont think that he would come back sympathetic? you dont think he can come back to his people and say look at these bullies, look at their culture of hospitality.... look how they denied me to lay a wreath to pay my respects, to speak at a university to students in vigorous debate, to pay me the diplomatic respect of any statesmen .... they act like children and bullies
all he has to do its invest 75cents and buy your coloring book (for 2nd graders) and the daily news (coloring book for 5th graders) and hold it up to his people and say "look at their two main newspapers "evil has landed" and "go to hell" ... they dont want to talk to debate our differences ... etc etc....
ideally what should have happened was him speak at the university, without the introduction from hell... without the applause and the boos.... let him speak, shake his hand at the end and say goodbye, thank you for participating.... then at the UN we should be PRESENT when he speaks, to show that we are willing to fucking hear him talk, and after he talks we can either disagree 100% or 90% or 50% in a diplomatic, intelligent way.....
but again im saying this to a kid who thinks the POST is a legitimate newspaper. Who thinks war is a video game and Iran is the next level...... who wont dare enlist to walk the walk.... he will let poor John Doe from kansas pull the triggers.... so I know all I said above falls on deaf ears... its a concept you cant understand, because things like diplomacy and using intellectual debate is something foreign to the garbage you educate yourself with....
no biggie man... ignorance is bliss, and some people are content living in fantasy worlds.... i prefer reality.
And ive pointed out before look at what happened when we tried to treat arafat as a statesmen , gave him a platform, gave him respect, invited him to the white house , etc .. What happened in the end .. Did Bill Clinton look like a fuckin a fool YES..Did Arafat go home more empowered YES .. then the secon=d infatada ..you see you dumb fuck you dont negotiate with unreasonable people.. your trying to use reasonable and logical points but thats ineffective when dealing with Sadaams, Hitlers, Arafats, Stalins, etc.. when somebody is a terrorist murderer who lets teenage boys be hanged in public for being gay ..are you really going to make progress lol your beyond niaeve
Defekted
09-26-2007, 10:46 AM
And ive pointed out before look at what happened when we tried to treat arafat as a statesmen , gave him a platform, gave him respect, invited him to the white house , etc .. What happened in the end .. Did Bill Clinton look like a fuckin a fool YES..Did Arafat go home more empowered YES .. then the secon=d infatada ..you see you dumb fuck you dont negotiate with unreasonable people.. your trying to use reasonable and logical points but thats ineffective when dealing with Sadaams, Hitlers, Arafats, Stalins, etc.. when somebody is a terrorist murderer who lets teenage boys be hanged in public for being gay ..are you really going to make progress lol your beyond niaeve
Im naive? Arafat started the second intifada? lol .... please read a book man. Do something to stimulate that brain. Its decayed to an extent I have rarely seen cuz. Im worried. As a compassionate liberal it pains me to see a young man like yourself get brainwashed that severly.
Its simple man, the difference between me and you.
I can look at any situation, you name it, and see one side of the arguement, the other, the truth, the complexity, the cause and effect, the consequences of actions, etc etc etc....
you can look at the same situation and see a simple good vs evil story. It must be so nice to still live in a world of dragons, wizards, and unicorns. Whats truely poetic is the joke is on you.... the people you idolize, dumb down their policies and agenda in such a way for you and your types to understand it. They point their finger at a person and say he is a terrorist, then you respond by saying, yeaaaaa that fucking terrorist, lets get' em!!!!! .... then a year later they will point to the same person and say NO NO NO he isnt a terrorist, this other guy is a terrorist, and you will go YEAAAAAAAA that motherfucker is a terrorist, this guy is good his is with us, wooo hooo .....
so they spin your head with nonsense, make you believe in boogeymen and we are captn america to save the day..... you never bother to look at a even a tiny level deeper.... TO ANYTHING....
you only will when you lace up those boots and go to war for what you believe in. THEN you will realize, hey you know what, i might die today, why and for what? shit i better think about this a little bit deeper, there are no dragons here, and no wizards to help me.... then at that moment somewhere in the middle east, in the next war... you can call me and ill come and pick you up, wrap a blanket over your shivering shoulders and take you home....
jameznyhc
09-26-2007, 10:58 AM
Im naive? Arafat started the second intifada? lol .... please read a book man. Do something to stimulate that brain. Its decayed to an extent I have rarely seen cuz. Im worried. As a compassionate liberal it pains me to see a young man like yourself get brainwashed that severly.
Its simple man, the difference between me and you.
I can look at any situation, you name it, and see one side of the arguement, the other, the truth, the complexity, the cause and effect, the consequences of actions, etc etc etc....
you can look at the same situation and see a simple good vs evil story. It must be so nice to still live in a world of dragons, wizards, and unicorns. Whats truely poetic is the joke is on you.... the people you idolize, dumb down their policies and agenda in such a way for you and your types to understand it. They point their finger at a person and say he is a terrorist, then you respond by saying, yeaaaaa that fucking terrorist, lets get' em!!!!! .... then a year later they will point to the same person and say NO NO NO he isnt a terrorist, this other guy is a terrorist, and you will go YEAAAAAAAA that motherfucker is a terrorist, this guy is good his is with us, wooo hooo .....
so they spin your head with nonsense, make you believe in boogeymen and we are captn america to save the day..... you never bother to look at a even a tiny level deeper.... TO ANYTHING....
you only will when you lace up those boots and go to war for what you believe in. THEN you will realize, hey you know what, i might die today, why and for what? shit i better think about this a little bit deeper, there are no dragons here, and no wizards to help me.... then at that moment somewhere in the middle east, in the next war... you can call me and ill come and pick you up, wrap a blanket over your shivering shoulders and take you home....
again i just showed you how diplomacy can be disastourous ...you respond by attacking me instead ..lol you libs are allways consistant in that area :heythere
Studz
09-26-2007, 11:28 AM
And ive pointed out before look at what happened when we tried to treat arafat as a statesmen , gave him a platform, gave him respect, invited him to the white house , etc .. What happened in the end .. Did Bill Clinton look like a fuckin a fool YES..Did Arafat go home more empowered YES .. then the secon=d infatada ..you see you dumb fuck you dont negotiate with unreasonable people.. your trying to use reasonable and logical points but thats ineffective when dealing with Sadaams, Hitlers, Arafats, Stalins, etc.. when somebody is a terrorist murderer who lets teenage boys be hanged in public for being gay ..are you really going to make progress lol your beyond niaeve
Last i checked the reason the 2nd intifada was started because a right wing likud party member who believes in the distrcution of the dome of the rock(the 2nd holiest site for muslims) and who also was responsible for one of the biggest palestinian masscare of the 20th century came to "visit" the dome of the rock with 1000 armed soldier.
And if anything the 2nd intifada weakend him and strengthened such group as hamas and islamic jihad. I'm not a fan of arafat but dont twist the facts.
jameznyhc
09-26-2007, 11:42 AM
Last i checked the reason the 2nd intifada was started because a right wing likud party member who believes in the distrcution of the dome of the rock(the 2nd holiest site for muslims) and who also was responsible for one of the biggest palestinian masscare of the 20th century came to "visit" the dome of the rock with 1000 armed soldier.
And if anything the 2nd intifada weakend him and strengthened such group as hamas and islamic jihad. I'm not a fan of arafat but dont twist the facts.
thats because your ignorant heres the facts son ..
On September 28, 2000 the Israeli opposition leader Ariel Sharon, with a Likud party delegation, and surrounded by hundreds of Israeli riot police, visited the mosque compound of the Temple Mount in the Old City of Jerusalem. The compound is the holiest site in Judaism, and the third holiest site in Islam for the majority of Muslims. The stated purpose for Sharon's visit of the compound was to assert the right of all Israelis to visit the Temple Mount.[19]
Sharon's impending visit was officially announced and approved in advance with many Palestinian officials including Arafat himself, though prior to it some people on both sides protested, because of his controversial political stance. His visit was condemned by the Palestinians as a provocation and an incursion, as were his armed bodyguards that arrived on the scene with him. Critics claim that Sharon knew that the visit could trigger violence, and that the purpose of his visit was political. According to Yossef Bodansky,
Clinton's proposal [...] included explicit guarantees that Jews would have the right to visit and pray in and around the Temple Mount... Once Sharon was convinced that Jews had free access to the Temple Mount, there would be little the Israeli religious and nationalist Right could do to stall the peace process. When Sharon expressed interest in visiting the Temple Mount, Barak ordered GSS chief Ami Ayalon to approach Jibril Rajoub with a special request to facilitate a smooth and friendly visit [...] Rajoub promised it would be smooth as long as Sharon would refrain from entering any of the mosques or praying publicly [...] Just to be on the safe side, Barak personally approached Arafat and once again got assurances that Sharon's visit would be smooth as long as he did not attempt to enter the Holy Mosques [...] A group of Palestinian dignitaries came to protest the visit, as did three Arab Knesset Members. With the dignitaries watching from a safe distance, the Shahab (youth mob) threw rocks and attempted to get past the Israeli security personnel and reach Sharon and his entourage [...] Still, Sharon's deportment was quiet and dignified. He did not pray, did not make any statement, or do anything else that might be interpreted as offensive to the sensitivities of Muslims. Even after he came back near the Wailing Wall under the hail of rocks, he remained calm. "I came here as one who believes in coexistence between Jews and Arabs," Sharon told the waiting reporters. "I believe that we can build and develop together. This was a peaceful visit. Is it an instigation for Israeli Jews to come to the Jewish people's holiest site?"[
Defekted
09-26-2007, 11:44 AM
Last i checked the reason the 2nd intifada was started because a right wing likud party member who believes in the distrcution of the dome of the rock(the 2nd holiest site for muslims) and who also was responsible for one of the biggest palestinian masscare of the 20th century came to "visit" the dome of the rock with 1000 armed soldier.
And if anything the 2nd intifada weakend him and strengthened such group as hamas and islamic jihad. I'm not a fan of arafat but dont twist the facts.
Studz, like I said... in a land of unicorns and dragons its easy to see. Arafat single handedly used the platform clinton gave him to his advantage and just out of spite he started the second intifada. That bad bad bad man.... BOO!
And Ahmadinijad is two weeks away from nuking Tel Aviv. And just like how we watched Hitler become the force he was without doing anything, if we dont bomb Tehrain right now we will be living in a nuclear winter for the next 5 decades!
And we also have to keep an eye out regarding our so called "American" muslims who are conspiring everyday in their "mosques", like my man Peter King said, they are too many Mosques in the US! Oh but wait, studz, arent you muslim? man why am I even talking to you!!!! you are the enemy! And the wisdom of not talking to your enemies have done us so good, so sorry Studz, but im putting you on "ignore"
lets see what else? Oh! If you didnt hear this yet, put your seatbelt on! goes this one is juicy :) The surge should be bringing us to victory in IRaq! We are about 6 months away from a Starbucks on every corner.
hmmm I know theres more, oh yea, Liberals are Islamofacist sympathizers and the Liberal media is the downfall of our great WASP society, uhhh i mean, American society.... If it wasnt for them We would be totally secure with no poverty or crime.... the markets would make the rich richer and the poor deported, MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH (evil laugh)
man theres gotta be more, lets see.... oh yea, the french are pussy fags except for their stud poodle, i mean president, sarkozy, who is going to give it to those A-Rabs.
oh and one last thing, a crazy muslim cab driver ran over a student in 1986!!!!!! kill them all!!!!!!!!!! MUAHAAHHAHAAHAHAH
man being Jamez for the last two minutes really gave me a headache
Defekted
09-26-2007, 11:47 AM
thats because your ignorant heres the facts son ..
On September 28, 2000 the Israeli opposition leader Ariel Sharon, with a Likud party delegation, and surrounded by hundreds of Israeli riot police, visited the mosque compound of the Temple Mount in the Old City of Jerusalem. The compound is the holiest site in Judaism, and the third holiest site in Islam for the majority of Muslims. The stated purpose for Sharon's visit of the compound was to assert the right of all Israelis to visit the Temple Mount.[19]
Sharon's impending visit was officially announced and approved in advance with many Palestinian officials including Arafat himself, though prior to it some people on both sides protested, because of his controversial political stance. His visit was condemned by the Palestinians as a provocation and an incursion, as were his armed bodyguards that arrived on the scene with him. Critics claim that Sharon knew that the visit could trigger violence, and that the purpose of his visit was political. According to Yossef Bodansky,
Clinton's proposal [...] included explicit guarantees that Jews would have the right to visit and pray in and around the Temple Mount... Once Sharon was convinced that Jews had free access to the Temple Mount, there would be little the Israeli religious and nationalist Right could do to stall the peace process. When Sharon expressed interest in visiting the Temple Mount, Barak ordered GSS chief Ami Ayalon to approach Jibril Rajoub with a special request to facilitate a smooth and friendly visit [...] Rajoub promised it would be smooth as long as Sharon would refrain from entering any of the mosques or praying publicly [...] Just to be on the safe side, Barak personally approached Arafat and once again got assurances that Sharon's visit would be smooth as long as he did not attempt to enter the Holy Mosques [...] A group of Palestinian dignitaries came to protest the visit, as did three Arab Knesset Members. With the dignitaries watching from a safe distance, the Shahab (youth mob) threw rocks and attempted to get past the Israeli security personnel and reach Sharon and his entourage [...] Still, Sharon's deportment was quiet and dignified. He did not pray, did not make any statement, or do anything else that might be interpreted as offensive to the sensitivities of Muslims. Even after he came back near the Wailing Wall under the hail of rocks, he remained calm. "I came here as one who believes in coexistence between Jews and Arabs," Sharon told the waiting reporters. "I believe that we can build and develop together. This was a peaceful visit. Is it an instigation for Israeli Jews to come to the Jewish people's holiest site?"[
wheres your link son? fails to mention how numerous palestinians were killed that day for throwing rocks....
jameznyhc
09-26-2007, 11:49 AM
Studz, like I said... in a land of unicorns and dragons its easy to see. Arafat single handedly used the platform clinton gave him to his advantage and just out of spite he started the second intifada. That bad bad bad man.... BOO!
And Ahmadinijad is two weeks away from nuking Tel Aviv. And just like how we watched Hitler become the force he was without doing anything, if we dont bomb Tehrain right now we will be living in a nuclear winter for the next 5 decades!
And we also have to keep an eye out regarding our so called "American" muslims who are conspiring everyday in their "mosques", like my man Peter King said, they are too many Mosques in the US! Oh but wait, studz, arent you muslim? man why am I even talking to you!!!! you are the enemy! And the wisdom of not talking to your enemies have done us so good, so sorry Studz, but im putting you on "ignore"
lets see what else? Oh! If you didnt hear this yet, put your seatbelt on! goes this one is juicy :) The surge should be bringing us to victory in IRaq! We are about 6 months away from a Starbucks on every corner.
hmmm I know theres more, oh yea, Liberals are Islamofacist sympathizers and the Liberal media is the downfall of our great WASP society, uhhh i mean, American society.... If it wasnt for them We would be totally secure with no poverty or crime.... the markets would make the rich richer and the poor deported, MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH (evil laugh)
man theres gotta be more, lets see.... oh yea, the french are pussy fags except for their stud poodle, i mean president, sarkozy, who is going to give it to those A-Rabs.
oh and one last thing, a crazy muslim cab driver ran over a student in 1986!!!!!! kill them all!!!!!!!!!! MUAHAAHHAHAAHAHAH
man being Jamez for the last two minutes really gave me a headache
:applaud lol your debating skills have left me speechless ...doesnt it get frustrating when you allways have to ignore the issues and shoot the messenger because you have nothing to come back with .. carry on son ..
jameznyhc
09-26-2007, 11:56 AM
wheres your link son? fails to mention how numerous palestinians were killed that day for throwing rocks....
wrong again ... that was the following day ..when palestinains started attacking jews, police, soldiers, and tourists at the temple mount
On September 29, 2000, the day after Sharon's visit, following Friday prayers, large riots broke out around Old Jerusalem during which at least five people were shot dead by Israeli security forces, and 200 others were wounded after Palestinians on the Temple Mount threw rocks over the Western Wall at Jews and tourists below. About 70 policemen were also reportedly injured in the clashes.[21]
The same day, demonstrations and riots broke out in the West Bank. In the days that followed, demonstrations erupted all over the West Bank and Gaza. In the West Bank city of Qalqilyah, a Palestinian police officer working with Israeli police on a joint patrol opened fire and killed his Israeli counterpart Supt. Yosef Tabeja,[22] an Israel Border Police officer.
The violence quickly escalated and in the first six days of the Intifada, 61 Palestinians were killed and 2,657 were injured by the Israeli army and police. [citation needed]
soorry its not national review online ..its wikipedia so i guess your hard-on on hoping i got this from some israeli website is deflating as we speak
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada
Studz
09-26-2007, 12:15 PM
wrong again ... that was the following day ..when palestinains started attacking jews, police, soldiers, and tourists at the temple mount
On September 29, 2000, the day after Sharon's visit, following Friday prayers, large riots broke out around Old Jerusalem during which at least five people were shot dead by Israeli security forces, and 200 others were wounded after Palestinians on the Temple Mount threw rocks over the Western Wall at Jews and tourists below. About 70 policemen were also reportedly injured in the clashes.[21]
The same day, demonstrations and riots broke out in the West Bank. In the days that followed, demonstrations erupted all over the West Bank and Gaza. In the West Bank city of Qalqilyah, a Palestinian police officer working with Israeli police on a joint patrol opened fire and killed his Israeli counterpart Supt. Yosef Tabeja,[22] an Israel Border Police officer.
The violence quickly escalated and in the first six days of the Intifada, 61 Palestinians were killed and 2,657 were injured by the Israeli army and police. [citation needed]
soorry its not national review online ..its wikipedia so i guess your hard-on on hoping i got this from some israeli website is deflating as we speak
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada
wikipedia, are you kidding
dont you watch the Colbert report. He proved how wikipedia is a sham. Get the REAL Facts.
But going back to to that loser (not you jamez the prez of iran) we shouldn't have disrespected him the way we did in the intro we should have said Ladies and gents the president of Iran. Let him have his speech than blind side him with all the facts and give a rebuttal on his speech, he can give the same speech he gave but do it after hes introduced. It makes the us look arrogant and bullying i watch international media and aljazeera (in arabic) the people on it says that Americans have no tact for doing such a thing. Now mind you arabs tend to not like iran and do not want iran to have nuclear power. That was why all the arabs and America backed Saddam in his war against Iran. Cause they didn't like the Islamic republic of iran to have that much power.
Defekted
09-26-2007, 01:24 PM
:applaud lol your debating skills have left me speechless ...doesnt it get frustrating when you allways have to ignore the issues and shoot the messenger because you have nothing to come back with .. carry on son ..
Lets make one thing very clear, dont consider my posts mocking your sources and your perception of world politics and impending doom from minorities close and far from home as me debating you....
i have time and time again taken you to school with every subject you have dared brought up to this forum...
BUT, from out of NOWHERE, after I post my opinion about Ahmadinijad speaking, you reply saying im a islamic extremist sympathizer, followed by liberal moron, and dumb fuck.....
so now im back to making you my pug. A little cute neocon I put on my lap and when I feel like it ill make you bark.... and if you piss on the rug ill take you face and rub it in it so you know how foolish you look....
carry on son.
:doggie
lolz
09-26-2007, 02:33 PM
great WASP society
Former.
Defekted
09-26-2007, 02:40 PM
Former.
shame isnt it?
jameznyhc
09-26-2007, 02:44 PM
wikipedia, are you kidding
dont you watch the Colbert report. He proved how wikipedia is a sham. Get the REAL Facts.
But going back to to that loser (not you jamez the prez of iran) we shouldn't have disrespected him the way we did in the intro we should have said Ladies and gents the president of Iran. Let him have his speech than blind side him with all the facts and give a rebuttal on his speech, he can give the same speech he gave but do it after hes introduced. It makes the us look arrogant and bullying i watch international media and aljazeera (in arabic) the people on it says that Americans have no tact for doing such a thing. Now mind you arabs tend to not like iran and do not want iran to have nuclear power. That was why all the arabs and America backed Saddam in his war against Iran. Cause they didn't like the Islamic republic of iran to have that much power.
Studz the reason i feel this man should never be given a forum is because the iranian press filters everything ..sure theres western sites people have access to but its extremly limited ...if we were respectfully (i agree the dean was an idiot he could have posed the same question in very different wording ) ..ok and we just let him speak ..remember the audience only booed once when he made the gay remark ..they applauded 20 times.. now that goes thru the iranian state goverment news agency and out comes Arminijad looking like a hero...notice the language he was using .. were about peace, we love all nations, i wanna lay a wreath at ground zero ..so back home its looks like he softening his tone.. the iranian people dont want war with us!! ..so he softens his image, edits out the boos, amplifies the applause ..and he wins ..either way dont you get it. They dont have a free press..
I brought up arafat as a perfect example why you dont negiotaiate with killers, thugs or terrorists ..plain and simple ..once you give them crediblity they can use photos, american speeches, etc as propaganda
Defekted
09-26-2007, 02:58 PM
Studz the reason i feel this man should never be given a forum is because the iranian press filters everything ..sure theres western sites people have access to but its extremly limited ...if we were respectfully (i agree the dean was an idiot he could have posed the same question in very different wording ) ..ok and we just let him speak ..remember the audience only booed once when he made the gay remark ..they applauded 20 times.. now that goes thru the iranian state goverment news agency and out comes Arminijad looking like a hero...notice the language he was using .. were about peace, we love all nations, i wanna lay a wreath at ground zero ..so back home its looks like he softening his tone.. the iranian people dont want war with us!! ..so he softens his image, edits out the boos, amplifies the applause ..and he wins ..either way dont you get it. They dont have a free press..
I brought up arafat as a perfect example why you dont negiotaiate with killers, thugs or terrorists ..plain and simple ..once you give them crediblity they can use photos, american speeches, etc as propaganda
they booed when he mentioned that there is more research to be done regarding the holocaust also...
and his questions regarding the plight of the palestinians, the nuclear artiliery that the US has, the secret prisons/gitmo, spytapping of its citizens are all legitmate questions that I would ask the students also.... too bad he does the same things at home so his credibility is shot with those topics.... so i dont see how he can win or look good in a debate unless we BASH him with our university president with our newspapers and media, and with our diplomats.... NOW he looks triumphant cause he walked into a wasps nest.... and came out ok.
jameznyhc
09-26-2007, 03:20 PM
they booed when he mentioned that there is more research to be done regarding the holocaust also...
and his questions regarding the plight of the palestinians, the nuclear artiliery that the US has, the secret prisons/gitmo, spytapping of its citizens are all legitmate questions that I would ask the students also.... too bad he does the same things at home so his credibility is shot with those topics.... so i dont see how he can win or look good in a debate unless we BASH him with our university president with our newspapers and media, and with our diplomats.... NOW he looks triumphant cause he walked into a wasps nest.... and came out ok.
wrong he doesnt use those soft tones at home, he speaks in totally mindset.. that wasnt the real him at the university..that was a part of propaganda he is going to use to stay in power..
Defekted
09-26-2007, 03:24 PM
wrong he doesnt use those soft tones at home, he speaks in totally mindset.. that wasnt the real him at the university..that was a part of propaganda he is going to use to stay in power..
I dont know about you, but he sounded absurd at least half the time he spoke and the other half he had legitimate points (because guess what, some of OUR ACTIONS lend itself to legitimate rebuke by even the craziest of individuals)
jameznyhc
09-26-2007, 03:27 PM
I dont know about you, but he sounded absurd at least half the time he spoke and the other half he had legitimate points (because guess what, some of OUR ACTIONS lend itself to legitimate rebuke by even the craziest of individuals)
Dude did you see the iranian press release..he got a standing ovation!!! thats what we hear in america his stupidity..back home they get an edited clipped and you have a propaganda piece
how do you reason with an individual who will not accept the holocaust ..that is a brainwashed religous fanatic..doesnt he believe in the sleeping imam he went into a well centuries ago..he says the guy talks to him ..haha i mean the guy is fuckin twisted man
lolz
09-26-2007, 03:29 PM
shame isnt it?
Travesty. Makes me want to move to a non-WASP based country that is so much better than the US like Somalia, or maybe Zimbabwe or Colombia or Belarus or even somewhere like Syria.
Defekted
09-26-2007, 03:41 PM
Travesty. Makes me want to move to a non-WASP based country that is so much better than the US like Somalia, or maybe Zimbabwe or Colombia or Belarus or even somewhere like Syria.
I was thinking something more like Negril, Jamaica....its sunny and everyone takes it easy maaan
:)
lolz
09-26-2007, 03:43 PM
I was thinking something more like Negril, Jamaica....its sunny and everyone takes it easy maaan
:)
Too mmany weed heads in Jamaica.
Defekted
09-26-2007, 03:51 PM
Too mmany weed heads in Jamaica.
judging from your posts you need a hit or two ... dont worry be happy :)
Check it out for yourselves ...for those who haven't seen it.
I, myself, do not pretend to know too much about what is going on, BUT I did listen to the whole thing.
The whole part about him dodging the homosexual persecution topic ..and even better ...saying that there ARE no homosexuals in iran ! :ROTFL
oh .and then to top it off ..he (or the translator) called our Senators *retarded* :LOL
I dunno ...it IS interesting to see his VERY logic point of view on SOME things, BUT you can;'t ignore some of the ridiculousness of others. Also, easy to see thru the candy-coating of certain things.
:agree
~H
darius
09-26-2007, 08:31 PM
he won sympathy at home not because he wasn't pressed enough. he was permitted to weasel out of a lot of the questions that were posed to him. instead of sitting back and laughing over his obviously ridiculous answers, he should have been put before a firing line, complete with hardened proof of violation of women's right, complete disregard and continued oppression of followers of the Baha'i Faith, and the most laughable response of all "we don't have homosexuals in iran". i agree, while iran does not have homosexuals like we have here (because the closet doors wide open) in terms of flamboyance and public display, to say consider homosexuality a "phenomenon" is wretched. he wasn't grilled enough, plain and simple. i think that's intentional because he's not on trial and as part of grilling him, we must be prepared to deal with whatever him or iranians want to press us on, and i'm sorry, but i don't think the administration has any desire to do so. if you're gonna allow him to come here, you gotta throw him to the wolves. we gave him a pass.