Republican debate last night/ Democrat debate tonite..

[jameznyhc]

Well as much as i disapprove of Mitt Romneys flip flopping on abortion I gotta say McCain is 50 times worse by trying to re-invent himself as a conservative.. Huckabee is a nice guy and all says some good things but im just not feeling him on national defense and the war in iraq.. dont like his class warfare rhetoric either.. Romney exposed McCain as a snake oil salesman and McCains dirty trick blew up in his face about the timetable withdrawel ..If McCain had a brain he would have turned to mitt and said Mr. Romney i apologize my campaign mischarachterized your comment and took it out of context were on the same page ..my campaign and myself made a big mistake and i regret that .. But that did not happen ..not even close ..McCain confronted by Romney and the woman mediater was totally caught in a lie ..And he pulled a hillary ..when confronted with the truth he still tried to lie..McCain looked petty and downright sneaky washington insider..his body language change and he became hostile and started stuttering and stammering .. sorry McCain i believe you sealed your fate last night by that disgusting fake bullshit lie you tried to cover up with more lying ..

democrats start in an hour or so ..should be very interesting seeing hillary and obama up there one on one .. time to roll a blunt and get the popcorn ready ..will the wicked witch fall apart at the seams?? Obama has improved his debating skills 200% since oct..

[Alexa910]

let the shit show begin

[jameznyhc]

run down so far.. there both going to tax the rich to socialize medicine and neither explained how we are going to maintain quality we have in our country that europeans and canadians flock too when they need treatment .. i didnt see billlc clinton run to europe for his triple bypass surgery ..he choose our system because he knows it the best in the world ..shame on CNN for not addressing this.. also they plans are divised on prevention education to come up with 55 billion dollars in savings .. sorry guys everyone know if you exercise, eat well, dont smoke or drink, you will be healthy .. so there banking on people who have these bad habits to change them because there going to teach this?? umm i learned this in 3rd grade in health class ... horrible plan ..

[Fat Man D]

word. old man mac looked really shady when trying to skew romney's comments on "timetables" or the war. in an ideal world, politicians would relent when caught in a mischaracterization or lie, the old man would never do that. I thought romney looked good in the debate last night and though they're both flipfloppers to some degree, i respect romney more. old man mac spoke out against the "agents of intolerence" then buddies up with pat robertson & the christian right. he just seems really desperate to get into the WH, a lot like hill-dog. "straight talk express" is a great idea, but not a reality for him...

the moderators totally shit on huckabee & ron paul, they barely got any air time and i thought it was a little unfair, especially considering they had more support than the cross-dressing italian before he dropped out of the race.

[Fat Man D]

run down so far.. there both going to tax the rich to socialize medicine and neither explained how we are going to maintain quality we have in our country that europeans and canadians flock too when they need treatment .. i didnt see billlc clinton run to europe for his triple bypass surgery ..he choose our system because he knows it the best in the world ..shame on CNN for not addressing this.. also they plans are divised on prevention education to come up with 55 billion dollars in savings .. sorry guys everyone know if you exercise, eat well, dont smoke or drink, you will be healthy .. so there banking on people who have these bad habits to change them because there going to teach this?? umm i learned this in 3rd grade in health class ... horrible plan ..

not sure where you grew up but the nutritionists they're talking about might be for the poorer, who might benefit from having such things reinforced.

a former president would NEVER go abroad for healthcare, it'd look bad for the country. if he really wanted someone from abroad, he could always import them...hehe

mandates dont work! hill-dog's plan sounds more govt run than his IMHO...

[ShaE]

bill clinton can AFFORD medical treatment here, which is no doubt, top notch.

nobody is saying we don't have top notch facilities and physicians, we're saying these resources are not within the reach of MOST americans b/c they either lack coverage or their insurance denies their claims for procedures.

what use is having all of these amazing treatments and doctors if 40 million americans cannot afford to be SEEN by them while the others who are covered may or may not get the chance either?

the debate is not whether our technology is good, it's about how we distribute it and dispense it. if only the wealthy can afford to enjoy the benefits, we're not doing a good job of making our resources available to taxpaying citizens who need them.

[Fat Man D]

LOVE THIS QUESTION!!!!

"how can you be an agent of change with the same 2 families in the white house for 30 years?"

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This bitch is tough :(

[jameznyhc]

bill clinton can AFFORD medical treatment here, which is no doubt, top notch.

nobody is saying we don't have top notch facilities and physicians, we're saying these resources are not within the reach of MOST americans b/c they either lack coverage or their insurance denies their claims for procedures.

what use is having all of these amazing treatments and doctors if 40 million americans cannot afford to be SEEN by them while the others who are covered may or may not get the chance either?

the debate is not whether our technology is good, it's about how we distribute it and dispense it. if only the wealthy can afford to enjoy the benefits, we're not doing a good job of making our resources available to taxpaying citizens who need them.


the poor have medicaid and have the same access to healthcare as clinton .. clinton used his govt supplied plan which is no different than medicare . medicaid ..they didnt express how they would fix either one of those programs .. either ..

Barack just got hammered on the bush/.clinton legacy dominating the concern of lots of people why didnt he specifically attack clintons policys such as leaving the country in a recession in 2000, how he bombed iraq for same reasons bush did, how he waged wr on bosnia that had no national threat, how he sold out the libs on workfare??? come on obama get with it she killing ya

[ShaE]

LOVE THIS QUESTION!!!!

"how can you be an agent of change with the same 2 families in the white house for 30 years?"

agent of change= catchphrase that makes me want to yack lol


This bitch is tough :(

gotta give her that.. lol

[Bekim...]

hillary is no joke shes hardcore

[Fat Man D]

This bitch is tough :(

she's shady....she wants to run on her own merrits but wants to share credit with bill for the good things that happened during the 90s, wont take credit for the bad things and won't release records from the clinton library on what she ACTUALLY did until 2012....shade!

she also didn't answer the question.....it's bad for america and democracy to have this kind of oligarcy.....she ended the question with a joke, but all joking aside, her sense of entitlement to the presidency should put american on notice too.

[ShaE]

the poor have medicaid and have the same access to healthcare as clinton .. clinton used his govt supplied plan which is no different than medicare . medicaid ..they didnt express how they would fix either one of those programs .. either ..


do you know how poor you have to be to qualify for medicaid? do you think I'm referring to the poor when I say people cannot get access to this care? No. I mean average people that can't shell out a couple hundred bucks just to walk into a specialists office nevermind be treated.

I'm talking about working americans who either cannot afford to insure themselves, do not get benefits at their job, or are denied care by their insurers. Also, those that CAN afford insurance but cannot get a policy due to existing conditions.

People who do not and cannot enjoy that medical care. there's a LOT of them jamez. a lot. It's not just the poor, it's a huge portion of the middle class that is entirely cutoff from this resource.

[ShaE]

hillary is no joke shes hardcore

and if she were a man, she'd be applauded for it instead of called "cold and calculating".

she isn't my first choice, but shit's being held against her that would be seen as an asset if she were male. no doubt. nobody ever criticized a man for being "calculating", it'd be called "smart". Politics is a shrewd business and like any businesswoman she's gotta work twice as hard for the same accomplishments. That's why she has my respect.

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This is bullshit.... why is she answering every question first.... in a debate that is huge.... hit a homerun punchline and the guy that follows can do nothing but hold his dick....

and what the fuck is this bullshit with Wolf.... "clearly that was a swipe" give me a break, it was a perfect answer, let it go muthafuckers.

Getting heated, lol.

[Fat Man D]

and if she were a man, she'd be applauded for it instead of called "cold and calculating".

she isn't my first choice, but shit's being held against her that would be seen as an asset if she were male. no doubt. nobody ever criticized a man for being "calculating", it'd be called "smart". Politics is a shrewd business and like any businesswoman she's gotta work twice as hard for the same accomplishments. That's why she has my respect.

crying the day before a primary because you're behind - or "just dont wanna see us fall behind" is calculating......

[Fat Man D]

This is bullshit.... why is she answering every question first.... in a debate that is huge.... hit a homerun punchline and the guy that follows can do nothing but hold his dick....

and what the fuck is this bullshit with Wolf.... "clearly that was a swipe" give me a break, it was a perfect answer, let it go muthafuckers.

Getting heated, lol.

wolf keeps tryin to instigate...he's gotta take it easy, they're having a serious policy decision and though it's a lil boring, it's important for the country to see...

[ShaE]

crying the day before a primary because you're behind - or "just dont wanna see us fall behind" is calculating......

and let me guess, every move a man makes in his campaign is called "strategic" lol

she's the only one that's calculating? who, in their right mind, would think one could successfully campaign and be a politician WITHOUT being that way? you evaluate a situation and you respond, that's calculation. you can choose to do so for good reasons or for bad, that's where judgment comes in. but being calculating is not something i'd hold against a politician. i'd require it.

obama's calculating, he just does it more naturally, less obviously, and cleaner.

[ShaE]

who was that republican congressman who was bawling in session on tv? standing at the pulpit weeping and sobbing like a little boy...i remember seeing that on the news a while back.

oh there's tears in politics kids lmao

[Fat Man D]

and let me guess, every move a man makes in his campaign is called "strategic" lol

she's the only one that's calculating? who, in their right mind, would think one could successfully campaign and be a politician WITHOUT being that way? you evaluate a situation and you respond, that's calculation. you can choose to do so for good reasons or for bad, that's where judgment comes in. but being calculating is not something i'd hold against a politician. i'd require it.

obama's calculating, he just does it more naturally, less obviously, and cleaner.

he's more calculating at being calculating.....holla!

to be serious, every politican is calculating...it's part of the biz, i dont hold it against her but sometimes she comes off as a robot and seems disengaged from the point she's making....she gets a smug look on her face and has a 'dont-challenge-me' demeanor.....again, coming off as someone who feels entitled to the WH

[Fat Man D]

who was that republican congressman who was bawling in session on tv? standing at the pulpit weeping and sobbing like a little boy...i remember seeing that on the news a while back.

oh there's tears in politics kids lmao

there was a couple......"i have known great accomplishments, and now i know great shame".....that guy?

[ShaE]

he's more calculating at being calculating.....holla!

to be serious, every politican is calculating...it's part of the biz, i dont hold it against her but sometimes she comes off as a robot and seems disengaged from the point she's making....she gets a smug look on her face and has a 'dont-challenge-me' demeanor.....again, coming off as someone who feels entitled to the WH

very well said, and agreed lol

[ShaE]

there was a couple......"i have known great accomplishments, and now i know great shame".....that guy?

i dont remember, i just recall john edwards like hair and tears all over the place....stuttering too lol

[Fat Man D]

her position on the war is SOOOO weak. she either was a fool or wanted to appear hawkish, either way she's not being stright forward in her answers now.

YAHH WOLF for calling her out!


big ups to obama for the "being right on day one" comment!

[jameznyhc]

This is bullshit.... why is she answering every question first.... in a debate that is huge.... hit a homerun punchline and the guy that follows can do nothing but hold his dick....

and what the fuck is this bullshit with Wolf.... "clearly that was a swipe" give me a break, it was a perfect answer, let it go muthafuckers.

Getting heated, lol.


my biggest rival on this board im agrreing with for the second time today ..as stated before its the clinton news network ..get used to it .. Wolf has shown so much bias towards obama its mindboggling

[jameznyhc]

shame on hillary she pulled thew woman card when asked about the bush/clinton legacy saying a first woman president would be a milestone .. oh and a black wouldnt??? lmao!!! kudos for barack for not sinking to her level..shame on him for not calling her out on it

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As expected Obama took the Iraq portion of the section.....

"its not about just how they fucked up the execution, even McCain knows that, its about this war conceptually"

"im the better candidate because when we are up against those neocon fucks in november, i represent the clear contrast, with this bitch all they have to say is 'bitch you voted for dis shit too'"

"you keep saying who is ready day one, well bitch you need to be right on day one"

HOME RUNS

[jameznyhc]

oik wolf blitzer needs to be fired immediatly how the fuck did he just cut barack off from answering the question of bills dirty tricks ..WTF is going on ..why is barack letting this happen..but more importantly i cant blame him for wolfs despiciable bias.. hey defeckted now you know what its like ..kinda sucks

[jameznyhc]

As expected Obama took the Iraq portion of the section.....

"its not about just how they fucked up the execution, even McCain knows that, its about this war conceptually"

"im the better candidate because when we are up against those neocon fucks in november, i represent the clear contrast, with this bitch all they have to say is 'bitch you voted for dis shit too'"

"you keep saying who is ready day one, well bitch you need to be right on day one"

HOME RUNS

yes score one ... but do you see how smart she is she pre-empted him for the 98 bombing campaign in iraq for wmd .. why didnt he bring this up first?? oh thats right wolfie would never let him and threw her so many bones tonight ..had obama turned to her and hillary your husband bombed iraq for the same reasons as GW bush, your husband bombed bosnia, he bombed sudan, he sent troops haiti ..quite frankly he started more wars than bush and im not that candaidate ..and then threw his pitch in about her vote .. he would have fuckin slaughtered her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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everyone get analysis on msnbc.... keith olberman is the man.... fuck cnn, lol

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yes score one ... but do you see how smart she is she pre-empted him for the 98 bombing campaign in iraq for wmd .. why didnt he bring this up first?? oh thats right wolfie would never let him and threw her so many bones tonight ..had obama turned to her and hillary your husband bombed iraq for the same reasons as GW bush, your husband bombed bosnia, he bombed sudan, he sent troops haiti ..quite frankly he started more wars than bush and im not that candaidate ..and then threw his pitch in about her vote .. he would have fuckin slaughtered her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol.... and with it slaughter his chances in the dem primary...... insinuating that clinton was worse than bush? come on man...... there are red lines in a dem debate... lol

[Fat Man D]

everyone get analysis on msnbc.... keith olberman is the man.... fuck cnn, lol

always has on the best panels too.......good shit

[jameznyhc]

does everyone notice when the dems debate on CNN its allways wolf blitzer and only wolfe running the show?? yet when republ;icands debate on CNN anderson cooper and wolf had equal oppurtunities ..does this not raise questions?? ..we know CNBC is very friendly too obama such as russert, matthews and few others yet you will never see those throwing the bones to obama during debates .. Obamas naivitivity of boycotting fox was a really bad move for him ..can you imagine the difference if you had hume, and matthews hammering away ?? shit where is tim russert who is a dem but a fair minded journalist he would have destroyed her bullshit fake answers ..

[jameznyhc]

lol.... and with it slaughter his chances in the dem primary...... insinuating that clinton was worse than bush? come on man...... there are red lines in a dem debate... lol


is it not the truth ..she even said it we bombed iraq in 98 cause of wmd ??? ..Bill clinton did bomb more countrys than bush in fact he sidestepped nato and the french russians and chinese wwere just as upset with clinton as they were with bush (these are facts) , bill clinton supported workfare, bill clinton is playing the race card, bill clinton had 8 years and did nothion g for healthcare because your program was wack, Bill clinton passed 6 of 10 bills presented by newt gingrich and the republican aganda, bill clinton left the white house in a recession, bill clinton oversaw the biggest decline in the stock markets history from 11,000 to 7,000 .. thats red meat for the base son ..thats how you do it

look at what romney did to McCain last night ..look obama had a tuff night it was the second most biased debate i ever saw ..

[CraftyVet16]

her position on the war is SOOOO weak. she either was a fool or wanted to appear hawkish, either way she's not being stright forward in her answers now.

YAHH WOLF for calling her out!


big ups to obama for the "being right on day one" comment!

best comment in the whole debate "it is important to be read y day 1, but its more important to be RIGHT"

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best comment in the whole debate "it is important to be read y day 1, but its more important to be RIGHT"

Agreed

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To stress the importance of being right ON DAY ONE I implore everyone to read below.... and keep in mind one very important thing, this was done when every one on both parties were more than willing to hand the keys of our army to Bush, and when the public by in large were just bloodthirsty and wanted something to hit after 9/11 .... look at the forsight, the accuracy, the rationale .... and most importantly, fully willing to jeoprodize his political ambitions to stand on his principles.......
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Delivered on 26 October 2002

Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.

The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don’t oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.

I don’t oppose all wars.

After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administration’s pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such a tragedy from happening again.

I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear – I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.

He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn’t simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.

The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not – we will not – travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.

[jameznyhc]

lol.... and with it slaughter his chances in the dem primary...... insinuating that clinton was worse than bush? come on man...... there are red lines in a dem debate... lol

when and where did i say that .. what i said was he could have pointed to 4 wars clinton got involved in that were not national security issues ..actually 3 wars i did support clinton for bombing iraq in 98..i thought clinton did the right thing by taking out sadaams nuclear reactors and WMD's ..but im a repub;lican ..thats why it would have been a homerun for Obama ..he also could have stated the fact that clinton did bomb iraq on the night before his impeachment ..so was it for WMD or a distraction to monica lewinski impeachment ..ooh she would have melted ..these are not personal attaclks kid they are facts..instead she pre-empted that attack by bringing it up first..but shame on wolfe for not folowing up with this question since obama didnt ..So your saying your husband bombed iraq for the same reasons you gave GW bush to go to war for..Obama needs to fight much harder ..she is smart as hell ..immoral but smart..thats a scary combo

[jameznyhc]

To stress the importance of being right ON DAY ONE I implore everyone to read below.... and keep in mind one very important thing, this was done when every one on both parties were more than willing to hand the keys of our army to Bush, and when the public by in large were just bloodthirsty and wanted something to hit after 9/11 .... look at the forsight, the accuracy, the rationale .... and most importantly, fully willing to jeoprodize his political ambitions to stand on his principles.......
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Delivered on 26 October 2002

Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.

[QUOTE]The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don’t oppose all wars.

gotta give him props for siding with the REPUBLICANS .. i think his colleague robert byrd may disagree lol!!! .. by the way slavery still exists in the islamic world ..especially in africa and sudan where it is black on black ..actually its muslim enslaving christians ..his father and family are from kenya we can start there


My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.

Iraq has had free elections a free press and a dictactor in the same vain of hitler captured tried and killed ..hooray for a free iraq that chooses its own leaders no matter how strife it takes ..hey nazi germany had a 10 year insurgency after the war was over .. and east germany got sold out by us there so called allies we let the commies lock em down ..




After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administration’s pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such a tragedy from happening again.

lets see if he this tolerant on israels actions to do the same ..hunt and kill terrorists in hamas and hezbollah ..kudos for this comment


I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

and what exactly is that agenda?? details please?


What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

bad dumb comment the stock market has almost doubled since then.. wheres the props for bush now 6 years later lol!!!!!!!!!!!!wages have went way up as well .. corporate scandals did happen under clinton but were aggressively prosecuted under bush ..wheres the props today?




That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

nice sound byte wheres the meat?


Now let me be clear – I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.

He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

but this is a war of passion and not principle he claims ..then makes this statement that i totally agree with im getting confused..



But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history


then why did he attack his neighbors iran and kuwait? why did he try to assainate bush # 1?? why did he used wmd on his own people and other countries? ..why did he kick out weapons inspectors? why did he bribe french and russian politicians to corrupt the oil for food program for weapons.. nice sound bites but zero substance ..





I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

al qaeda is dismantled, osama hiding in a cave, they attacked us way more during our passivity in the 90s, they killed our servicemen on the uss cole before we ever hit iraq, they trained and plotted the WTC during clintons presidency.. so if ya ask me they were way more effective in the 90s ..now they bomb spain and saudi arabia, they kill iraqi citizens left and right ..yet they havent hit us once!!!!!!! they havent hit israel or england or any of our allies ..al qaeda in bad shape

I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.


So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

fast foward to 2008 and lets hear him give props to bush for stopping 6 attacks, the spain intelligence and german intelligence stopped massive attacks with our coordinated help ..we went after CAIR and various so called mainstream groups that financed al -qaeda


You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

i agree with amking UN inspectors do their work but bush has zero control over the UN ..we first need to stop the UN from undermining us, .. Russia an allie? and make putin stop selling arms to iran.. WORD!!! i hear that!! and agree .. sounds great but we need details and substance ..great soundbite .. maybe obama saw the same thing bush did when looking into putins eyes lololololol ..


You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

WORD!!! i agree 110% .. sounds great but how do we accomplish this?? wheres the substance..


You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn’t simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

word another great point but no details ...soundbites zero substance ..


Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.

would a battle against ignorance and intolerance be to dispose of dictactorships and oppressive societies in the middle east!! nice soundbyte ..zero detail; ..again how do we accomplish this



The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not – we will not – travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.


then why leave early .. we can get out ..but what if civil war erupts ..do we let them kill each other? is he going to relieve petraus of his duties? ..is he going to tell petraus your wrong im right ..or will he listen to his military offiers once elected ..great soudbyte zero substance........

I agree with alot of what he said and im not being sarcastic.. i just wanna know how he going to specifically execute these terrific points i agreed with..there were other points that over time he was wrong on especially the stock market..

[jameznyhc]

and if she were a man, she'd be applauded for it instead of called "cold and calculating".

she isn't my first choice, but shit's being held against her that would be seen as an asset if she were male. no doubt. nobody ever criticized a man for being "calculating", it'd be called "smart". Politics is a shrewd business and like any businesswoman she's gotta work twice as hard for the same accomplishments. That's why she has my respect.

why cause she uses the race card to win?? because she destroyed the lives of the women who accused her husband of sexual harassment & rape? .. what did you think of hillarys treatment of paula jones, juanita broderick, kathleen wiley???.. thats a shortcut.. She makes Rove (who got shit on bigtime and not because he was a male) look like an angel .. so ive heard you say rove is disgusting yet you respect clinton for sinking way lower than rove.. thats hypocrisy

[rpmwary]

run down so far.. there both going to tax the rich to socialize medicine and neither explained how we are going to maintain quality we have in our country that europeans and canadians flock too when they need treatment .. i didnt see billlc clinton run to europe for his triple bypass surgery ..he choose our system because he knows it the best in the world ..shame on CNN for not addressing this.. also they plans are divised on prevention education to come up with 55 billion dollars in savings .. sorry guys everyone know if you exercise, eat well, dont smoke or drink, you will be healthy .. so there banking on people who have these bad habits to change them because there going to teach this?? umm i learned this in 3rd grade in health class ... horrible plan ..

Heres a strange fact

Did you know that the US has the lowest smoker to non smoker ratio.

Yet as smokers quit.... our obesity problem increases.....

just food for thought

[Marc Oh!]

Anyone have a link for the transcripts of the 2 debates by any chance?

[jameznyhc]

Anyone have a link for the transcripts of the 2 debates by any chance?

check CNN they usually post them ...

[Chris]

is it not the truth ..she even said it we bombed iraq in 98 cause of wmd ??? ..Bill clinton did bomb more countrys than bush in fact he sidestepped nato and the french russians and chinese wwere just as upset with clinton as they were with bush (these are facts) , bill clinton supported workfare, bill clinton is playing the race card, bill clinton had 8 years and did nothion g for healthcare because your program was wack, Bill clinton passed 6 of 10 bills presented by newt gingrich and the republican aganda, bill clinton left the white house in a recession, bill clinton oversaw the biggest decline in the stock markets history from 11,000 to 7,000 .. thats red meat for the base son ..thats how you do it

look at what romney did to McCain last night ..look obama had a tuff night it was the second most biased debate i ever saw ..

dude. come on man, its over. Bush worst president in history. Accept it brother its ok he had me fooled for a bit too.

Stock markets decline had nothing to do with Clinton it had to do with the inflated tech sector finally bursting I was there watched it with my own eyes on the street.

Regardless this election we all know is going to be won by a Dem, everyone knows that the republicans should just stop running lolol. save us all some time. Obama takes it.

[Chris]

[QUOTE=Defekted;2232882]To stress the importance of being right ON DAY ONE I implore everyone to read below.... and keep in mind one very important thing, this was done when every one on both parties were more than willing to hand the keys of our army to Bush, and when the public by in large were just bloodthirsty and wanted something to hit after 9/11 .... look at the forsight, the accuracy, the rationale .... and most importantly, fully willing to jeoprodize his political ambitions to stand on his principles.......
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Delivered on 26 October 2002

Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.

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gotta give him props for siding with the REPUBLICANS .. i think his colleague robert byrd may disagree lol!!! .. by the way slavery still exists in the islamic world ..especially in africa and sudan where it is black on black ..actually its muslim enslaving christians ..his father and family are from kenya we can start there



Iraq has had free elections a free press and a dictactor in the same vain of hitler captured tried and killed ..hooray for a free iraq that chooses its own leaders no matter how strife it takes ..hey nazi germany had a 10 year insurgency after the war was over .. and east germany got sold out by us there so called allies we let the commies lock em down ..



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lets see if he this tolerant on israels actions to do the same ..hunt and kill terrorists in hamas and hezbollah ..kudos for this comment

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and what exactly is that agenda?? details please?



bad dumb comment the stock market has almost doubled since then.. wheres the props for bush now 6 years later lol!!!!!!!!!!!!wages have went way up as well .. corporate scandals did happen under clinton but were aggressively prosecuted under bush ..wheres the props today?



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nice sound byte wheres the meat?



but this is a war of passion and not principle he claims ..then makes this statement that i totally agree with im getting confused..





then why did he attack his neighbors iran and kuwait? why did he try to assainate bush # 1?? why did he used wmd on his own people and other countries? ..why did he kick out weapons inspectors? why did he bribe french and russian politicians to corrupt the oil for food program for weapons.. nice sound bites but zero substance ..






al qaeda is dismantled, osama hiding in a cave, they attacked us way more during our passivity in the 90s, they killed our servicemen on the uss cole before we ever hit iraq, they trained and plotted the WTC during clintons presidency.. so if ya ask me they were way more effective in the 90s ..now they bomb spain and saudi arabia, they kill iraqi citizens left and right ..yet they havent hit us once!!!!!!! they havent hit israel or england or any of our allies ..al qaeda in bad shape

I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.

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fast foward to 2008 and lets hear him give props to bush for stopping 6 attacks, the spain intelligence and german intelligence stopped massive attacks with our coordinated help ..we went after CAIR and various so called mainstream groups that financed al -qaeda



i agree with amking UN inspectors do their work but bush has zero control over the UN ..we first need to stop the UN from undermining us, .. Russia an allie? and make putin stop selling arms to iran.. WORD!!! i hear that!! and agree .. sounds great but we need details and substance ..great soundbite .. maybe obama saw the same thing bush did when looking into putins eyes lololololol ..

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WORD!!! i agree 110% .. sounds great but how do we accomplish this?? wheres the substance..



word another great point but no details ...soundbites zero substance ..

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would a battle against ignorance and intolerance be to dispose of dictactorships and oppressive societies in the middle east!! nice soundbyte ..zero detail; ..again how do we accomplish this





then why leave early .. we can get out ..but what if civil war erupts ..do we let them kill each other? is he going to relieve petraus of his duties? ..is he going to tell petraus your wrong im right ..or will he listen to his military offiers once elected ..great soudbyte zero substance........

I agree with alot of what he said and im not being sarcastic.. i just wanna know how he going to specifically execute these terrific points i agreed with..there were other points that over time he was wrong on especially the stock market..

rediculous post....

war was wrongly set in motion, with the wrong people for the wrong reasons and thousands of american lives have been lost for that.

you teach your children to not take no shit and if johnny down the block punches you and takes your tonka truck you go punch johnny in the mouth, you don't go harrass steve because you can't go after johnny cause well his mother owns your entire city block......saudis were at fault, bin ladens still alive. NEXT topic we lost that one.

You def don't teach your children killing people is going to solve somethingm, cause since the dawn of time it has yet to solve a fucking thing. You DO teach your children NEW ideals not your grandppappies ideas, you teach children to be color blind in a sociry hell bent on race, you teach them to be strong but only use your sword when completely neccessary not whip it out at a beer guzzling contest.

and lastly you keep talkin about the stock market, as if the president has someting to do with it. so the stock market is up, do you know where its up? do you know waht industries are flourishing? do you know our import trade is at an all time high and do you know what we export? NOTHING. we are land of consumption put in place by banks and credit agencies to rape the american people of any self worth. We teach our kids to go and buy things you don't own, go and lease a car, buy on credit, buy a house with a jumbo mortgage, this is the reason why our country economy faulters NOT becuase terrorism or any of the sort. brother we are going to be our own demise not some nut in a turban. trust me. when we created the fed reserve we WHORED our selves out to the world, and that very year we created income tax. do the math. someone has to pay for the lending.

Lastly and most importantly, fuck the stock market, look at the housing industry. What do you have to say about that? about the school loan loop hole for not allowing kids to refi, a school loan, that mr CLINTON so nicely put in place a CAP for school loans and mr BUSH took off. bro soemtimes i think you live under a rock. housing industry bubble burst leaving millions either in Prefor or forc, with no relief in site, credit lending tighted, rates are low, house prices are low everyones over financed. and theres nothing no one can do about it except pray.

I have to say we really can't get anyone in office worst than what we have so anything and i mean fucking ANYTHING is a step in the right direction after this idiot. truly the dumbest president in the history of the united states.

It takes a human to make mistakes, it takes a man to admit to them, it takes a hero to fix them. Bush isn't even a man. next....

[ShaE]

We teach our kids to go and buy things you don't own, go and lease a car, buy on credit, buy a house with a jumbo mortgage, this is the reason why our country economy faulters NOT becuase terrorism or any of the sort. brother we are going to be our own demise not some nut in a turban. trust me. when we created the fed reserve we WHORED our selves out to the world, and that very year we created income tax. do the math. someone has to pay for the lending.

It takes a human to make mistakes, it takes a man to admit to them, it takes a hero to fix them. Bush isn't even a man. next....


Some of the truest shit I've ever heard. Well put.

[Defekted]

[QUOTE=jameznyhc;2233073]

rediculous post....

war was wrongly set in motion, with the wrong people for the wrong reasons and thousands of american lives have been lost for that.

you teach your children to not take no shit and if johnny down the block punches you and takes your tonka truck you go punch johnny in the mouth, you don't go harrass steve because you can't go after johnny cause well his mother owns your entire city block......saudis were at fault, bin ladens still alive. NEXT topic we lost that one.

You def don't teach your children killing people is going to solve somethingm, cause since the dawn of time it has yet to solve a fucking thing. You DO teach your children NEW ideals not your grandppappies ideas, you teach children to be color blind in a sociry hell bent on race, you teach them to be strong but only use your sword when completely neccessary not whip it out at a beer guzzling contest.

and lastly you keep talkin about the stock market, as if the president has someting to do with it. so the stock market is up, do you know where its up? do you know waht industries are flourishing? do you know our import trade is at an all time high and do you know what we export? NOTHING. we are land of consumption put in place by banks and credit agencies to rape the american people of any self worth. We teach our kids to go and buy things you don't own, go and lease a car, buy on credit, buy a house with a jumbo mortgage, this is the reason why our country economy faulters NOT becuase terrorism or any of the sort. brother we are going to be our own demise not some nut in a turban. trust me. when we created the fed reserve we WHORED our selves out to the world, and that very year we created income tax. do the math. someone has to pay for the lending.

Lastly and most importantly, fuck the stock market, look at the housing industry. What do you have to say about that? about the school loan loop hole for not allowing kids to refi, a school loan, that mr CLINTON so nicely put in place a CAP for school loans and mr BUSH took off. bro soemtimes i think you live under a rock. housing industry bubble burst leaving millions either in Prefor or forc, with no relief in site, credit lending tighted, rates are low, house prices are low everyones over financed. and theres nothing no one can do about it except pray.

I have to say we really can't get anyone in office worst than what we have so anything and i mean fucking ANYTHING is a step in the right direction after this idiot. truly the dumbest president in the history of the united states.

It takes a human to make mistakes, it takes a man to admit to them, it takes a hero to fix them. Bush isn't even a man. next....

Excellent

[jameznyhc]

[QUOTE=jameznyhc;2233073]

rediculous post....

war was wrongly set in motion, with the wrong people for the wrong reasons and thousands of american lives have been lost for that.

you teach your children to not take no shit and if johnny down the block punches you and takes your tonka truck you go punch johnny in the mouth, you don't go harrass steve because you can't go after johnny cause well his mother owns your entire city block......saudis were at fault, bin ladens still alive. NEXT topic we lost that one.

You def don't teach your children killing people is going to solve somethingm, cause since the dawn of time it has yet to solve a fucking thing. You DO teach your children NEW ideals not your grandppappies ideas, you teach children to be color blind in a sociry hell bent on race, you teach them to be strong but only use your sword when completely neccessary not whip it out at a beer guzzling contest.

and lastly you keep talkin about the stock market, as if the president has someting to do with it. so the stock market is up, do you know where its up? do you know waht industries are flourishing? do you know our import trade is at an all time high and do you know what we export? NOTHING. we are land of consumption put in place by banks and credit agencies to rape the american people of any self worth. We teach our kids to go and buy things you don't own, go and lease a car, buy on credit, buy a house with a jumbo mortgage, this is the reason why our country economy faulters NOT becuase terrorism or any of the sort. brother we are going to be our own demise not some nut in a turban. trust me. when we created the fed reserve we WHORED our selves out to the world, and that very year we created income tax. do the math. someone has to pay for the lending.

Lastly and most importantly, fuck the stock market, look at the housing industry. What do you have to say about that? about the school loan loop hole for not allowing kids to refi, a school loan, that mr CLINTON so nicely put in place a CAP for school loans and mr BUSH took off. bro soemtimes i think you live under a rock. housing industry bubble burst leaving millions either in Prefor or forc, with no relief in site, credit lending tighted, rates are low, house prices are low everyones over financed. and theres nothing no one can do about it except pray.

I have to say we really can't get anyone in office worst than what we have so anything and i mean fucking ANYTHING is a step in the right direction after this idiot. truly the dumbest president in the history of the united states.

It takes a human to make mistakes, it takes a man to admit to them, it takes a hero to fix them. Bush isn't even a man. next....


slick willie approved nafta

slick willie using race against obama

slick willie bombed not only iraq but sudan and bosnia as well, and murdered american citizens in waco texas

if a bank lends money to someone who cant pay it back fuck them

if that person has to foreclose fuck them ..both losers

Bush tax cuts jump started this economy ..give business owners more money back , cut tax on capital gains, cut taxes for small business owners worked under JFK, Reagan & Bush

[Chris]

[QUOTE=Chris;2238858]


slick willie approved nafta

slick willie using race against obama

slick willie bombed not only iraq but sudan and bosnia as well, and murdered american citizens in waco texas

if a bank lends money to someone who cant pay it back fuck them

if that person has to foreclose fuck them ..both losers

Bush tax cuts jump started this economy ..give business owners more money back , cut tax on capital gains, cut taxes for small business owners worked under JFK, Reagan & Bush
you obviously know nothing about the real estate market, even if people bought homes in 2000 and put 20% if the market drops past 20% your over financed..... i guess many middle and upper middle class people are losers cause my partner was a mortgage broker, and actually the poor people can get FHA loans people with money over financed are fuckedddddddddd. that your great president did.
you always get into a dick measuring contest bro. whats up with that.

im not voting for hillary, im voting for obama, we can compare all day about slick willie or bush rodgers, but the truth is this, when slick willy was in office, the country was fat, rich, happy, 2 cars in the drive way, with a surplus of 3 trillion, dick face gets in we are at 4 trillion in deficit spending in 8 years way to go spend 7 trillion dollars fast huh, thats about a trillion a year, sheeeeeet not even my fiance can spend like that and shes a proffesional shopper....

you can't compare the too, look at the state of the country in the 90's as opposed to today. nuff said. a gorrilla can see somethings wrong.

oh ya by the way for the jump start , i got that tax cut, it was 300 bucks. big fucking deal i spend that on a business dinner..... come on that jump started the economy? then you must be living in another america than i am cause this economy stalled out a few years ago, and no one has any gas cans around.. hurry grab a gas can lets get this economney started again.....

[Chris]

also i think the republicans and alot of politicians keep talking about this war on terror, its only just the cold war part 2. we been doing this sinc forever, ithink its really time to stop worry about other countries and waht they are doing and start worryin about the US again. I think Obama can do that, its time to pull it in, pull them troops home, show the world we are compassionate but we are also strong and mostly we man enough to admit when something went awry and fix it. I think too much politics is about whats going on outside the borders of this country and this country every day falls apart at the seems a little bit more. and we are the cause of that, we got our eyes over in the mid east, over in isreal, over on cuba, over on north korea and what happens here? we get duped into electing OUT OF FEAR OF OUR LIVES BECAUSE THATS WHAT THEY TOLD US AND US AS AMERICANS ALWAYS WANT TO BELIVE OUR PRESIDENT the same lame duck as the first 4 years who actually cheated to get into office. You can wake up real early but not early enough to fool me my man. The whole bush legacy is founded on cheating and running. what makes this one any different? bush 1 could hold onto anything in term, why do you think SLICK WILLY was elected and kept with out again with out cheating an election for 2 terms. cause america was stupid at that time? we both come from the 90's compare the 90's economy to now. exactly...

I think we as a country need to stop worry about this country and that country cause our own country is crumbling, we make nothing in the US, we create nothing, we buy from china WE poison our own children with lead products because we are so fucking greedy to make an extra quick buck, we spend all day and night on SUVs breastt implants, mortgages, watches and diamonds while we horde our WORTHLESS money in savings accounts (money isn't back by the gold standard its why our money is worthless today, yes yes a dem did that i know so what) and pray for S.S. thats never coming. Truth is we are whores and the world is our redlight district. My grandfarther would turn in his grave for this is the country he fought on the front lines in normandy for? HA what a joke. We poison our own kids for a few bucks more. disgusting.