If you could know the truth...

[ShaE]

about one event in history that's controversial, unsolved, shady, debated, etc. which would it be?

[eL FryEdo]

hmmm good one ... i'd have to say roswell :alien

[ShaE]

hmmm good one ... i'd have to say roswell :alien

I could sit here all day waiting to answer b/c I know as soon as I pick one I'll think of another, better one I'd rather choose lol

I think I'd want to know definitively who plotted and carried out JFK'S assassination.

If not that, though I believe it to be authentic, I'd like confirmation of the moon landing lol

[eL FryEdo]

I could sit here all day waiting to answer b/c I know as soon as I pick one I'll think of another, better one I'd rather choose lol

I think I'd want to know definitively who plotted and carried out JFK'S assassination.

If not that, though I believe it to be authentic, I'd like confirmation of the moon landing lol

i was gonna go with the JFK assassination too but i think if aliens did land that its alot more significant than a dead human ya know :shrugger

[James Maxx]

9/11 attacks.

[eL FryEdo]

9/11 attacks.
good one didnt even cross my mind and i can look at WTC out my window right now

[JustLikeHeaven]

def JFK

[ShaE]

I assume there is intelligent life out there somewhere, maybe not in our area lol, maybe they haven't gotten here, but I'm certain they exist. As far as 9/11, I feel pretty settled w/ that. I blame Osama, I know the gov't was negligent w/ the intel and fell asleep at the wheel, but I'm not inclined to think they were schemers in it. When somebody blows off the president's head in broad daylight, that's balls, I'd like to know which organization thought so highly of themselves to think they could do that and how far the conspiracy reached.

I'm very skeptical of conspiracies b/c info will always leak, someone will crack, something gets out. It's so hard in today's world to keep small things under wraps, how could you hide something so huge? Amazing to me.

[JustLikeHeaven]

I assume there is intelligent life out there somewhere, maybe not in our area lol, maybe they haven't gotten here, but I'm certain they exist. As far as 9/11, I feel pretty settled w/ that. I blame Osama, I know the gov't was negligent w/ the intel and fell asleep at the wheel, but I'm not inclined to think they were schemers in it. When somebody blows off the president's head in broad daylight, that's balls, I'd like to know which organization thought so highly of themselves to think they could do that and how far the conspiracy reached.

I'm very skeptical of conspiracies b/c info will always leak, someone will crack, something gets out. It's so hard in today's world to keep small things under wraps, how could you hide something so huge? Amazing to me.

Yes, exactly...I would be interested in knowing how something of that magnitude has remained a mystery for so long.

[Jarmz]

I'm not religious at all, in fact I could be considered an atheist but I would like to know if a lot of the things in the bible are true. One for instance is how Moses pulled of the plagues.

[John Kennedy]

def biblical times.. to be around when Jesus was

[ShaE]

ahh, i thought of my better one lol

the beginning of the universe, was it the big bang or was it God the Father, or something inbetween?

that's what I'd really like to know.

[Jarmz]

ahh, i thought of my better one lol

the beginning of the universe, was it the big bang or was it God the Father, or something inbetween?

that's what I'd really like to know.

going hand in hand with that one

evolution or Creation

this thread is making me :pullhair lol

[tribaljunkee]

hitler's last days.

what did he do, what did he say and to who.

[John Kennedy]

The first colonies in the 1600's.. how the English made it over here and how it went down with the natives here.

[LittleBouncer]

i have a few.....the whole origins of the christian religion which i read a lot on and know quite a bit about...
9/11 im not satisfied
and area 51 i have friends in Vegas that wrok there as guards....they bring machine guns to work and dont know shit about what goes on there

[James Maxx]

Prehistoric era. The first Ice Age.

How humans began to travel to other continents, and how and where they settled.

[Penelicious]

I've thought about this so many times.....in no particular order..LOL


Who Killed JFK?
How did the Earth come into being?
Is there intelligent life out there?
What happened, detail for detail, with OJ that night?
Whatever happened to Hitler?
What happened to Amelia Earhart?
What is the Bermuda Triangle?
Whatever happened to the Zodiac Killer?

[Lance Burkhart]

I've thought about this so many times.....in no particular order..LOL


Who Killed JFK?
How did the Earth come into being?
Is there intelligent life out there?
What happened, detail for detail, with OJ that night?
Whatever happened to Hitler?
What happened to Amelia Earhart?
What is the Bermuda Triangle?
Whatever happened to the Zodiac Killer?


those would all be great, but I'd just want to know this ID.
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[Penelicious]

You're such a schmo :ROTFL

[Lance Burkhart]

yo wheres my "save the date" hmmm

[Penelicious]

yo wheres my "save the date" hmmm

My dog ate it :shuffle

[Lance Burkhart]

My dog ate it :shuffle

impossible! something tells me the "save the dates" are larger than your dog...or about the same size.

[Penelicious]

impossible! something tells me the "save the dates" are larger than your dog...or about the same size.

She has a really big appetite for a small dog!!!!

[TheHipHopBillGates]

I'd love to know what the Templars found in Solomn's Temple & what the Holy Grail actually is & Jesus blah blah blah. Then maybe Atlantis where it is/what happened etc.......

[metfan85]

lol im loving that avatar mike

[TheHipHopBillGates]

lol im loving that avatar mike

i thought it was the appropriate response to james's.

[metfan85]

i thought it was the appropriate response to james's.

i think youd appreciate my desktop background...

[FAST]

hitler's last days.

what did he do, what did he say and to who.

thats pretty much documented history, unless you want to know how many shits he took or what his dirty talk to eva braun was,




id def want to know


jfk
or roswell

[FAST]

I'd love to know what the Templars found in Solomn's Temple & what the Holy Grail actually is & Jesus blah blah blah. Then maybe Atlantis where it is/what happened etc.......


didnt the templars put the grail under solomn temple and it is still believe3d to be there to this day, but since it is under a muslim temple they wont let them dig or some shit,

i coudl be getting the facts wrong, but I def agree with you on wanting to know if any of the bible stories are in deed true, or I been worshippin a work of fiction for the past 29 yrs,

[metfan85]

thats pretty much documented history, unless you want to know how many shits he took or what his dirty talk to eva braun was,




id def want to know


jfk
or roswell

:LOL

i always wanted to who really created baseball.. everyone used to say it was Abner Doubleday in the 1830's, but now they are saying its been around since before Doubleday

[TheHipHopBillGates]

didnt the templars put the grail under solomn temple and it is still believe3d to be there to this day, but since it is under a muslim temple they wont let them dig or some shit,

i coudl be getting the facts wrong, but I def agree with you on wanting to know if any of the bible stories are in deed true, or I been worshippin a work of fiction for the past 29 yrs,

Supposedly the found the grail buried under Solomns Temple, they supposedly stayed in a portion of the Temple confined for X # of years digging, found something left, and pretty much overnight became extremely ridiculously wealthy.

[eL FryEdo]

how they actually built the pyramids ... there's alot of speculation on how they did it but noone knows for sure AND how they built that temple with the huge pillars (in the netherlands i believe) i forget the name of it its suppose to be some sort of calendar or some shit :shrugger

[metfan85]

how they actually built the pyramids ... there's alot of speculation on how they did it but noone knows for sure AND how they built that temple with the huge pillars (in the netherlands i believe) i forget the name of it its suppose to be some sort of calendar or some shit :shrugger

stonehenge, its in Scotland

[JustLikeHeaven]

I wanna know if Marilyn Monroe really killed herself

[FAST]

Supposedly the found the grail buried under Solomns Temple, they supposedly stayed in a portion of the Temple confined for X # of years digging, found something left, and pretty much overnight became extremely ridiculously wealthy.

yeah I need to brush up on my knights templar history,

def a interestign bunch,

[eL FryEdo]

stonehenge, its in Scotland

ahhh

[FAST]

how they actually built the pyramids ... there's alot of speculation on how they did it but noone knows for sure AND how they built that temple with the huge pillars (in the netherlands i believe) i forget the name of it its suppose to be some sort of calendar or some shit :shrugger

who has that avatar, "slavery is good for something"

but I agree, the size of the rocks of the pyramids, would need armies of men to lug and place in these perfect pyramids, witout any formal trechnology, seems fishy,



stonehenge, its in Scotland


alwasy thought it was in england

[FAST]

I wanna know if Marilyn Monroe really killed herself

I wanna know if she was good in bed

[eL FryEdo]

I wanna know if Marilyn Monroe really killed herself

definitely not ... same dudes that really killed JFK took her out :spyguy

[Penelicious]

Holy Grail is also something I'd like to know about--good one!!

And def also Marilyn Monroe

and I mean REALLY, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO JIMMY HOFFA???!!

[eL FryEdo]

who has that avatar, "slavery is good for something"

but I agree, the size of the rocks of the pyramids, would need armies of men to lug and place in these perfect pyramids, witout any formal trechnology, seems fishy,





alwasy thought it was in england

thats what i mean ... the size of the pieces of stone use to build these things were enormous

[JustLikeHeaven]

i wanna know if she was good in bed

lmao

[FAST]

I wanna know who put the bomp in the bomp buh bomp buh bomp
who put the ram in the rama lama ding dong


alwasy wondered that

[ShaE]

I wanna know who put the bomp in the bomp buh bomp buh bomp
who put the ram in the rama lama ding dong


alwasy wondered that
pondering life's great questions

[metfan85]

I wanna know who put the bomp in the bomp buh bomp buh bomp
who put the ram in the rama lama ding dong


alwasy wondered that

hhahahahahaaha ... id like to shake his hand

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[LittleBouncer]

I wanna know who put the bomp in the bomp buh bomp buh bomp
who put the ram in the rama lama ding dong


alwasy wondered that

lol you idiot.....seriously read "The JEsus Papers" very good book that discusses early christianity....and how the new testament is one of the most inaccurate books ever written

[metfan85]

lol you idiot.....seriously read "The JEsus Papers" very good book that discusses early christianity....and how the new testament is one of the most inaccurate books ever written

wasnt meant to perfectly accurate, they were written between 80 and 300 years after Jesus's birth

[LittleBouncer]

wasnt meant to perfectly accurate, they were written between 80 and 300 years after Jesus's birth

perfectly accurate its not even close to accurate either in history or jesus real teachings.....the first pope and true carrier of his message was supposed to be Mary Magdeline

[FAST]

lol you idiot.....seriously read "The JEsus Papers" very good book that discusses early christianity....and how the new testament is one of the most inaccurate books ever written

your worse then the asshole who corrects spelling on a message board, you want to correct the bible

:chuckle



but yeah, after davinci code ( i know its fiction) it sparked my interest in a alternative thinkin towards religion and catholosism, and i been poking around some of those books, i wish I had mroe time to read, but my commute is so short, im beat, but ill loo into that for one of my plane rides,

the knights were suspectd of finding documentation that disproved the church teachins and the church is said to have paid them off to hide such truths, so who knows what is what anymore,

my faith is a faith in something higher up then us, wether or not that conforms to what is written in some book, is not my concern, my concern is only that I keep my belief and faith,

:heythere

[FAST]

lol you idiot.....seriously read "The JEsus Papers" very good book that discusses early christianity....and how the new testament is one of the most inaccurate books ever written


hhahahahahaaha ... id like to shake his hand

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he made my baby fall in love with me.................

lol great song ,

my dad used to have me listening to 101.1 ansd all this shit growing up

[FAST]

thats what i mean ... the size of the pieces of stone use to build these things were enormous

i used to be big into this crap,

they even have the thing at museum of natural history that I been meanign to check out, but its more on mummies then how they were built

theres all this evidence of advanced technology as far as pullies and shit like that, but still , some of those rocks were up to 2 tons, i dont care how many slaves you got, thats a lot of weight,

the "alien" factor has always been in back of mind, esp with all those weird paroahs mask and such, who says aliens have to be little men with big heads and eyes,

very "stargate" ish thinkin, but makes some sort of sense for believers in that stuff

[LittleBouncer]

your worse then the asshole who corrects spelling on a message board, you want to correct the bible

:chuckle



but yeah, after davinci code ( i know its fiction) it sparked my interest in a alternative thinkin towards religion and catholosism, and i been poking around some of those books, i wish I had mroe time to read, but my commute is so short, im beat, but ill loo into that for one of my plane rides,

the knights were suspectd of finding documentation that disproved the church teachins and the church is said to have paid them off to hide such truths, so who knows what is what anymore,

my faith is a faith in something higher up then us, wether or not that conforms to what is written in some book, is not my concern, my concern is only that I keep my belief and faith,

:heythere
exactly my belief in god has nothing to do with the church....and you are correct about the knights wealth...its only when the templars power started rivaling the church that the church set out to destroy them

[Mothahen]

JFK :agree

And JFK Jr. :heart

[tribaljunkee]

where is Sammy Gravano the rat that turned gotti in.

[VIGOROUSJONESY]

How many jews did hitler really kill

[tribaljunkee]

hitler is the most fascinating person in history imo after the death of christ.

[FAST]

where is Sammy Gravano the rat that turned gotti in.

man your batting a zero on this thread,


again public knowledge pretty much

he was running a arizona xtc ring, adfter he came out of hiding, and him and his son got arrested, and he is now doing time

He is currently serving a 19-year sentence in an Arizona state prison. His son was also imprisoned for 9 years for his role in the drug ring. His wife and daughter were also charged but were not imprisoned. Ironically, Gravano's downfall was due to informers among his own associates.

[FAST]

hitler is the most fascinating person in history imo after the death of christ.

very charismatic speaker, and we only get to hear it in german

[JustLikeHeaven]

JFK :agree

And JFK Jr. :heart

HOTNESS.

Speaking of which I'd like to know if Christian Bale truly did verbally assault his mother...

[FAST]

Speaking of which I'd like to know if Christian Bale truly did verbally assault his mother...

it was supposedly physically

[JustLikeHeaven]

it was supposedly physically

no that clown was lying.

That was the initial story then she changed it to "verbal assault."

Either way, I don't care...he can do no wrong in my eyes :heart

[VIGOROUSJONESY]

hitler is the most fascinating person in history imo after the death of christ.

wrote a paper on him in college smart motherfucker and got a whole country to believe his thinking

[ShiFty]

I'm not religious at all, in fact I could be considered an atheist but I would like to know if a lot of the things in the bible are true. One for instance is how Moses pulled of the plagues.

a while ago i saw a documentary on this, scientists proved all acts as viable, my memory is shot as to the plague answer but the one that sticks out is parting red sea....and its clearly possible if there was an earthquake...as what happened a few years ago....i gotta look up that doc again and watch it, it was real interesting because they put a science behind the miracles ...

[ShiFty]

id also like to know what hapened in the wonderland murders

[tribaljunkee]

man your batting a zero on this thread,


again public knowledge pretty much

he was running a arizona xtc ring, adfter he came out of hiding, and him and his son got arrested, and he is now doing time

He is currently serving a 19-year sentence in an Arizona state prison. His son was also imprisoned for 9 years for his role in the drug ring. His wife and daughter were also charged but were not imprisoned. Ironically, Gravano's downfall was due to informers among his own associates.

shit :giveup

[FAST]

Holy Grail is also something I'd like to know about--good one!!

And def also Marilyn Monroe

and I mean REALLY, WHATEVER HAPPENED TO JIMMY HOFFA???!!

richard the "ice man" kuklinski claims he was hired to rub him out in his book,

not sure why it was never investigated further or proven,

but he blantantly makes the claim that he killed him with a group of 5 other men, but he claimed to have killed others that wa sproven he didnt, so who knows,

[Jarmz]

a while ago i saw a documentary on this, scientists proved all acts as viable, my memory is shot as to the plague answer but the one that sticks out is parting red sea....and its clearly possible if there was an earthquake...as what happened a few years ago....i gotta look up that doc again and watch it, it was real interesting because they put a science behind the miracles ...

Yeah I think I saw the same one... The one about the turning the water into blood had to do with some type of bacteria or algae that would have made the river look red.. I saw it in HS so I don't really remember but still would liek to know the truth not just scientific speculation

[tribaljunkee]

where the eff is osama.

hows that fast :FINGER

[FAST]

id also like to know what hapened in the wonderland murders



AGAIN PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE,

YOU GUYS SUCK


The Wonderland Murders, also known as Four on the Floor or Laurel Canyon Murders, occurred in Los Angeles in 1981, when four people were killed in a drug-related plot that involved porn star John Holmes and was allegedly masterminded by businessman and drug dealer Eddie Nash.

Robbery and murders
The Wonderland Gang was based around three people who lived in a rented house at 8763 Wonderland Avenue in the Laurel Canyon section of Los Angeles; Joy Audrey Gold Miller, William R. DeVerell (Miller and DeVerell were a couple), and Ronald Launius, the leader. All three were involved in drug use and drug dealing.

On June 28, 1981, they were meeting with David Lind and Tracy McCourt, and John Holmes, infamous porn star and known drug addict. They had decided to rob the home of Eddie Nash, but Lind claims not to have known who they were robbing, another drug dealer and wealthy owner of several night clubs. Holmes, whom Nash knew and liked, visited his house ostensibly to buy drugs. While doing so, Holmes scouted out the house and unlocked a back door. He then reported back to the gang.

The next morning, June 29, 1981, DeVerell, Launius, Lind, and McCourt went to the house. McCourt stayed with the car, a stolen Ford Granada, while the other three entered through the unlocked door. They took Nash and his live-in bodyguard, Gregory DeWitt Diles, by surprise and handcuffed them. They stole money, drugs, and jewelry, and threatened to kill Nash and Diles. The group then returned to Wonderland Avenue to split up the money (shortchanging Holmes and McCourt).

Nash suspected Holmes had been involved and ordered Diles to bring Holmes to his house. Holmes was found on the street in Hollywood, wearing one of the rings that had been stolen from Nash. Nash had Diles beat Holmes until he identified the people behind the robbery. This was witnessed by Scott Thorson, boyfriend of Liberace, who was picking up drugs at Nash's house.

In the early morning hours of July 1, 1981, two days after the above-mentioned robbery, the house at 8763 Wonderland Ave was entered. Miller, DeVerell, and Launius were present, along with Susan Launius (Launius' wife) and Barbara Richardson (Lind's girlfriend). All five were bludgeoned repeatedly with striated steel pipes. Susan Launius survived with serious injuries, but the other four were killed. John Holmes was present at the site of the murder, as evidenced by his finger prints, but it is unknown whether he participated in any of the killings.

According to court testimony, David Lind survived since he had spent the night at a San Fernando Valley motel, consuming drugs with a prostitute. Shortly after the news media reported the murders, Lind contacted the police and pointed the finger at Nash and Holmes and gave them an initial start to the investigation.


[edit] Police action and trials
Leading the murder investigation were LAPD detectives Tom Lange and Robert Souza, Tom Lange went on to work on the O. J. Simpson murder case 13 years later.[citation needed]

Police searched Nash's home shortly after the murders; more than a million dollars in cocaine was found and Nash spent two years in prison.

Holmes was then charged with committing the murders. The prosecutor, district attorney Ron Coen, tried to show Holmes as a willing participant who betrayed the Wonderland Gang after apparently not getting a full share of the loot from the robbery of Nash's house. Holmes' court-appointed defense lawyers, Earl Hanson and Mitchell Egers, successfully presented Holmes as one of the victims having been forced against his will by the real killers to give them entry to the house where the murders took place. Holmes was acquitted on June 16, 1982. He refused to testify and cooperate with authorities and spent some time in jail for contempt of court.

Holmes died six years later on March 13, 1988 of AIDS at a VA Medical Center in Los Angeles. After his death, his first wife, Sharon Gebenini-Holmes, came forward, saying that he had come to her house on the early morning after the killings with blood splattered all over his clothes, but did not tell her any further details.

In 1990, Nash was charged in state court with having planned the murders and Diles was charged with participating in the murders. Thorson testified against them, but the trial ended with an 11–1 hung jury; the second trial in 1991 ended in acquittal. Diles died in 1995.

In 2000, after a four-year joint investigation involving local and federal authorities, Nash was arrested and indicted on federal charges under the RICO act for running a drug dealing and money laundering operation, conspiring to carry out the Wonderland Murders, and bribing one of the jurors of his first trial. Nash, already in his seventies and suffering from emphysema and several other ailments, agreed to a plea bargain agreement in September 2001. He admitted to having bribed the lone holdout in his first trial, a young woman, with $50,000. He also pleaded guilty to the RICO charges and to money laundering. He admitted to having ordered his associates to retrieve stolen property from the Wonderland house, which might have resulted in violence including murder, yet he denied having planned the murders that took place. He received a four and a half year prison sentence and a $250,000 fine.

[FAST]

where the eff is osama.

hows that fast :FINGER

OK FINALLY i AM STUMPED

:chuckle


sorry im just a vast treasure chest of useless information

:shuffle

[JustLikeHeaven]

richard the "ice man" kuklinski claims he was hired to rub him out in his book,

not sure why it was never investigated further or proven,

but he blantantly makes the claim that he killed him with a group of 5 other men, but he claimed to have killed others that wa sproven he didnt, so who knows,

the Ice Man is one scary mofo, I saw a documentary on him on HBO I think and he seems like the most emotionless, cold-hearted person ever. Kinda sad though when he talks about his fucked up childhood.

[ShiFty]

AGAIN PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE,

YOU GUYS SUCK


The Wonderland Murders, also known as Four on the Floor or Laurel Canyon Murders, occurred in Los Angeles in 1981, when four people were killed in a drug-related plot that involved porn star John Holmes and was allegedly masterminded by businessman and drug dealer Eddie Nash.

Robbery and murders
The Wonderland Gang was based around three people who lived in a rented house at 8763 Wonderland Avenue in the Laurel Canyon section of Los Angeles; Joy Audrey Gold Miller, William R. DeVerell (Miller and DeVerell were a couple), and Ronald Launius, the leader. All three were involved in drug use and drug dealing.

On June 28, 1981, they were meeting with David Lind and Tracy McCourt, and John Holmes, infamous porn star and known drug addict. They had decided to rob the home of Eddie Nash, but Lind claims not to have known who they were robbing, another drug dealer and wealthy owner of several night clubs. Holmes, whom Nash knew and liked, visited his house ostensibly to buy drugs. While doing so, Holmes scouted out the house and unlocked a back door. He then reported back to the gang.

The next morning, June 29, 1981, DeVerell, Launius, Lind, and McCourt went to the house. McCourt stayed with the car, a stolen Ford Granada, while the other three entered through the unlocked door. They took Nash and his live-in bodyguard, Gregory DeWitt Diles, by surprise and handcuffed them. They stole money, drugs, and jewelry, and threatened to kill Nash and Diles. The group then returned to Wonderland Avenue to split up the money (shortchanging Holmes and McCourt).

Nash suspected Holmes had been involved and ordered Diles to bring Holmes to his house. Holmes was found on the street in Hollywood, wearing one of the rings that had been stolen from Nash. Nash had Diles beat Holmes until he identified the people behind the robbery. This was witnessed by Scott Thorson, boyfriend of Liberace, who was picking up drugs at Nash's house.

In the early morning hours of July 1, 1981, two days after the above-mentioned robbery, the house at 8763 Wonderland Ave was entered. Miller, DeVerell, and Launius were present, along with Susan Launius (Launius' wife) and Barbara Richardson (Lind's girlfriend). All five were bludgeoned repeatedly with striated steel pipes. Susan Launius survived with serious injuries, but the other four were killed. John Holmes was present at the site of the murder, as evidenced by his finger prints, but it is unknown whether he participated in any of the killings.

According to court testimony, David Lind survived since he had spent the night at a San Fernando Valley motel, consuming drugs with a prostitute. Shortly after the news media reported the murders, Lind contacted the police and pointed the finger at Nash and Holmes and gave them an initial start to the investigation.


[edit] Police action and trials
Leading the murder investigation were LAPD detectives Tom Lange and Robert Souza, Tom Lange went on to work on the O. J. Simpson murder case 13 years later.[citation needed]

Police searched Nash's home shortly after the murders; more than a million dollars in cocaine was found and Nash spent two years in prison.

Holmes was then charged with committing the murders. The prosecutor, district attorney Ron Coen, tried to show Holmes as a willing participant who betrayed the Wonderland Gang after apparently not getting a full share of the loot from the robbery of Nash's house. Holmes' court-appointed defense lawyers, Earl Hanson and Mitchell Egers, successfully presented Holmes as one of the victims having been forced against his will by the real killers to give them entry to the house where the murders took place. Holmes was acquitted on June 16, 1982. He refused to testify and cooperate with authorities and spent some time in jail for contempt of court.

Holmes died six years later on March 13, 1988 of AIDS at a VA Medical Center in Los Angeles. After his death, his first wife, Sharon Gebenini-Holmes, came forward, saying that he had come to her house on the early morning after the killings with blood splattered all over his clothes, but did not tell her any further details.

In 1990, Nash was charged in state court with having planned the murders and Diles was charged with participating in the murders. Thorson testified against them, but the trial ended with an 11–1 hung jury; the second trial in 1991 ended in acquittal. Diles died in 1995.

In 2000, after a four-year joint investigation involving local and federal authorities, Nash was arrested and indicted on federal charges under the RICO act for running a drug dealing and money laundering operation, conspiring to carry out the Wonderland Murders, and bribing one of the jurors of his first trial. Nash, already in his seventies and suffering from emphysema and several other ailments, agreed to a plea bargain agreement in September 2001. He admitted to having bribed the lone holdout in his first trial, a young woman, with $50,000. He also pleaded guilty to the RICO charges and to money laundering. He admitted to having ordered his associates to retrieve stolen property from the Wonderland house, which might have resulted in violence including murder, yet he denied having planned the murders that took place. He received a four and a half year prison sentence and a $250,000 fine.

fast diggy did you read that? they still dont know who did it....

[JustLikeHeaven]

how about Jon Benet Ramsey, I def wanna know who killed her.

[FAST]

Yeah I think I saw the same one... The one about the turning the water into blood had to do with some type of bacteria or algae that would have made the river look red.. I saw it in HS so I don't really remember but still would liek to know the truth not just scientific speculation

could be same bacteria related to red sea

The name of the sea may signify the seasonal blooms of the red-coloured cyanobacteria Trichodesmium erythraeum near the water's surface

[tribaljunkee]

fast diggy did you read that? they still dont know who did it....

oh snap.......

hes a vast treasure chest of useless un-read information :chuckle

[ShiFty]

could be same bacteria related to red sea

The name of the sea may signify the seasonal blooms of the red-coloured cyanobacteria Trichodesmium erythraeum near the water's surface

stfu :lol nerd hahaha

[FAST]

fast diggy did you read that? they still dont know who did it....

he denied he, but his bloody finger prints were found there, and even the account by his wife,

he fucking did it, lololol





I wanna knwo if OJ really really did it, I mean I think he did, but I wana truly know

[tribaljunkee]

how about Jon Benet Ramsey, I def wanna know who killed her.

or the girl gone missing in portugal....forgot her name.

[tribaljunkee]

he denied he, but his bloody finger prints were found there, and even the account by his wife,

he fucking did it, lololol





I wanna knwo if OJ really really did it, I mean I think he did, but I wana truly know

yea...i wish i was invisible and just chill at the spot of the murder to see it all unfold and then get mcdonalds.

[FAST]

hes a vast treasure chest of useless un-read information :chuckle

this coming from the kid , who must not have opend a paper in his 20 somthign yrs on this earth

:chuckle

[tribaljunkee]

this coming from the kid , who must not have opend a paper in his 20 somthign yrs on this earth

:chuckle

:disgusted:yourcrazy

[ShiFty]

he denied he, but his bloody finger prints were found there, and even the account by his wife,

he fucking did it, lololol





I wanna knwo if OJ really really did it, I mean I think he did, but I wana truly know

yeah oj did it, you dont need to go back in time and be there to know that one.....how that guy walks around today and lives a normal life is beynd me...........r kelly too :disgusted

[FAST]

the Ice Man is one scary mofo, I saw a documentary on him on HBO I think and he seems like the most emotionless, cold-hearted person ever. Kinda sad though when he talks about his fucked up childhood.


read his book, its pretty fucked up, but i highly doubt he killed as many people as he said he did,



or the girl gone missing in portugal....forgot her name.

madeline something, yeah def curious to know if the parents had involvement



how about Jon Benet Ramsey, I def wanna know who killed her.

another good one

[ShiFty]

r kelly did he piss on a 15 yr old girl?

[FAST]

yeah oj did it, you dont need to go back in time and be there to know that one.....how that guy walks around today and lives a normal life is beynd me...........r kelly too :disgusted



well we all "know" he did it, but I would love to hear it out of his mouth,

like in some rage filled last minute stand,

[JustLikeHeaven]

or the girl gone missing in portugal....forgot her name.

the British chick?
U must not truly care what happ to her - u can't even remember her name :chuckle

[FAST]

who really killed biggie

[JustLikeHeaven]

r kelly did he piss on a 15 yr old girl?

Lmao u haven't seen the tape?

[JustLikeHeaven]

who really killed biggie

omg yes!!
:tears

and if Tupac is really alive lol

[ShiFty]

who really killed biggie

hes not dead

[ShiFty]

Lmao u haven't seen the tape?

watching him piss on a 15 yr old girl is not on my list of things to see.....:chuckle

[eL FryEdo]

very charismatic speaker, and we only get to hear it in german

for real ... he was a very persuasive dude i have relaives that are off the boat from germany at that time and they said everyone LOVED the guy ... made germans proud to be german and believe that they were the best in the world ... well we know how that played out

[ShiFty]

for real ... he was a very persuasive dude i have relaives that are off the boat from germany at that time and they said everyone LOVED the guy ... made germans proud to be german and believe that they were the best in the world ... well we know how that played out

what happened?

[FAST]

for real ... he was a very persuasive dude i have relaives that are off the boat from germany at that time and they said everyone LOVED the guy ... made germans proud to be german and believe that they were the best in the world ... well we know how that played out

exactyl, he had them all thinkin it was a goid idea to murder millions of people,

if I was him, I would have used that gift of gab to get in as many girls pants as possible

[JustLikeHeaven]

watching him piss on a 15 yr old girl is not on my list of things to see.....:chuckle

lmao it's def him...he even has his Grammy's in the back lol!

[eL FryEdo]

what happened?
ppl died germany was beaten and japan got fucked up

[tribaljunkee]

the British chick?
U must not truly care what happ to her - u can't even remember her name :chuckle

you refer to her by her nationality. your not that far off as well. :chuckle

[JustLikeHeaven]

you refer to her by her nationality. your not that far off as well. :chuckle

lmao but i never said I really cared what happ to her.

[ShiFty]

lmao it's def him...he even has his Grammy's in the back lol!

his grammy's were in the pic? haha listen of you get charged with 15 or so counts of child pornography or whatever he was charged with its pretty obvious he did it.....its not like it was one charge and maybe it wasnt him.......:booted

[FAST]

ppl died germany was beaten and japan got fucked up

lol love the edit comments,


yeah japan really got the shit end of the stick in that one, thought attackin us was a proud moment huh, he's a nuclear bomb for that ass, oh and just to be sure you dont do that again, have another

[ShiFty]

ppl died germany was beaten and japan got fucked up

man how did i miss that?

[eL FryEdo]

man how did i miss that?

yea theres a few books out on it ... maybe a movie or two also

[ShiFty]

didnt the guys that flew the planes all get eaten by sharks or some shit??? am i mixing up my history?

[eL FryEdo]

lol love the edit comments,


yeah japan really got the shit end of the stick in that one, thought attackin us was a proud moment huh, he's a nuclear bomb for that ass, oh and just to be sure you dont do that again, have another

:chuckle
yea i had to edit out my original statement cant have another infraction

[JustLikeHeaven]

his grammy's were in the pic? haha listen of you get charged with 15 or so counts of child pornography or whatever he was charged with its pretty obvious he did it.....its not like it was one charge and maybe it wasnt him.......:booted

in the vid u can see his Grammys in the background lol. That's my point - of course he did it.

[eL FryEdo]

didnt the guys that flew the planes all get eaten by sharks or some shit??? am i mixing up my history?

USS Indianapolis (CA-35) was a Portland-class cruiser of the United States Navy. She holds a place in history due to the notorious circumstances of her demise, which was the worst single loss of life at-sea in the history of the U.S. Navy. After delivering critical parts for the first atomic bomb to be used in combat to the United States air base at Tinian Island on July 26, 1945, she was in the Philippine Sea when attacked at 00:14 on July 30, 1945 by a Japanese submarine. Most of the crew was lost to a combination of exposure, dehydration, and shark attacks as they waited for assistance while floating for five days. Indianapolis was one of the last U.S. Navy ships sunk by enemy action in World War II (the submarine USS Bullhead (SS-332) was attacked by Japanese aircraft with depth charges and sunk on August 6, 1945).

[Mothahen]

What came first the chicken or the egg :giveup

[stefanm3]

I've thought about this so many times.....in no particular order..LOL


Who Killed JFK?
How did the Earth come into being?
Is there intelligent life out there?
What happened, detail for detail, with OJ that night?
What is the Bermuda Triangle?


:applaud

[ShaE]

USS Indianapolis (CA-35) was a Portland-class cruiser of the United States Navy. She holds a place in history due to the notorious circumstances of her demise, which was the worst single loss of life at-sea in the history of the U.S. Navy. After delivering critical parts for the first atomic bomb to be used in combat to the United States air base at Tinian Island on July 26, 1945, she was in the Philippine Sea when attacked at 00:14 on July 30, 1945 by a Japanese submarine. Most of the crew was lost to a combination of exposure, dehydration, and shark attacks as they waited for assistance while floating for five days. Indianapolis was one of the last U.S. Navy ships sunk by enemy action in World War II (the submarine USS Bullhead (SS-332) was attacked by Japanese aircraft with depth charges and sunk on August 6, 1945).
there was a show on this the other nite. the navy got their distress call, but thought it was the japanese luring them into a trap, so they didn't respond. unbelieveable.

[kelisse]

id def want to know more about roswell even though i dont really believe in alien life lol...hwoever, something strange definitely went on....

[Eleni]

Area 51 - A Personal Account

by V.L. Custer - Part 1

Transcript of V.L.'s Custer, South Dakota Meeting in August, 1995. This is a transcript from a tape of a talk that he gave regarding his 12 years at Area 51.


I spent from June of 1965 to August of 1977 directly on the Nevada Test Site, worked there full time. I was Radiation - Health and Safety. Most of the time I worked there, I either worked for Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory, Lawrence Radiation Laboratory out of Livermore, Berkeley rather, California or Sandia Corporation out of Albuquerque, New Mexico. All those testing laboratories have since changed their names. Lawrence Radiation Laboratory is now the Lawrence National Laboratory, they don’t use the word radiation. In my job we had responsibility for and access to all of the areas of the Nevada Test Site which encompasses about 1800 square miles. It begins north of Las Vegas at Indian Springs where the bombing and gunnery range starts and goes all the way to Beatty, Nevada. It’s an area that has armed guards around it, surveillance devices, it’s a restricted air space, you can’t fly over it. If you’re caught on it, things happen to you. I had a top secret clearance and I think there probably wasn’t a square mile of that test site that I haven’t been on or seen, part of which is Area 51 (http://ufo.whipnet.org/area.51/index.html). One of the things I’d like to tell you folks right now is that there’s certain things that I cannot and will not talk about. When you quit out there, quitting what used to be the Atomic Energy Commission, it’s now the Department of Energy, it’s kind of like quitting the Central Intelligence Agency. You never quit. They never let loose of you.

[/URL]There are certain things that I saw and was part of that I will take to the grave with me without talking about. However, there are a lot of things that I can talk about. And I think the news media has titillated public interest in a very dishonest way because 95% of what’s at Area 51 is totally uninteresting, it’s very mundane. The Federal Government tests aircraft at Area 51 that they want to keep secret. To give you an example, when I was out there, during the later years I was out there, they tested the stealth fighter and the stealth bomber, the Blackbird, SR-71 flew in and out of there on a weekly basis. The reason the government uses Area 51 is because it has a 10 mile long runway, absolute secrecy, you can’t see anything that’s worth seeing from the air or the ground. And that hill that sits away from Area 51 where everybody goes up and looks, all they can see... we used to sit there and look back at people and do this (wave) because all you can see is administration buildings. That’s all you can see. The government knows that people are out there looking into the area and because of that a deliberate effort has been made that there’s absolutely nothing to see right there. Now if you go a few miles north, there’s a lot of things that people might want to see but never will.

The Dept. of Energy now has yearly tours on the test sight, once a year the families of employees, that belong to certain classifications of workers, are allowed to take bus tours through part of the test site. It’s a very small area that they let people see, it’s Frenchman Flat, the flat where the old air bursts, where atmospheric tests were performed. But you can’t get within 40 miles of Area 51. As I told Paul Strassels on the radio the other day, there were things I saw and have seen in Area 51 that would make one wonder where they came from. I’ve also seen things out there that violate most of the laws of physics. My degree is in physics, and we , on a routine basis, used to observe... because we worked at night, it was a 24 hour a day, 365 days a year operation out there. And I worked all three shifts, graveyard, swing and days. I worked at night a lot out there. I’ve seen things that most aircraft or no aircraft that I know of could do, do. So the news reports that you hear are accurate to the extent that someone is testing either weapons or various vehicles that go through the atmosphere that use technology that we’re not really in possession of. Now, if that sounds a bit odd, I would say this. The Federal Government is afraid. . . . in fact we had a whole division of public relations people to feed the public information that was cleansed. The Federal Government is afraid that if the population of the United States knew some of the things that we have done and have seen and have found, people would panic. And that’s all I can say about that. The other thing is that while we were testing nuclear weapons out there, the last year I was out there, the last full year I was out there, in ‘76, we had 53 or 54 underground nuclear weapons tests. We announced 2 of them to the public. The reason for that was strictly political.

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There was a ground swell movement to eliminate nuclear weapons testing, the government didn’t want people thinking they were hopelessly contaminating part of Nevada for all times, which they have, it’s too late now, it poses no real threat to us, anyway. So they didn’t announce those things. I use that as an example of part of which isn’t told to the public. There was nuclear weapons testing I was involved in, I should hasten to say that most of that was stockpile testing. We would take a nuclear device out of stock pile and test it, see if it worked. It’s as simple as that. Nuclear weapons tend to deteriorate when they sit around for periods of time. Degrade is the term. We haven’t tested at the test site now since 1992. Probably never will again. There’s a massive clean-up effort out there, that will take a long time.

As far as Area 51 goes, I have a lot of friends that work at the test site, still. Area 51 is the most secured area in the United States. Area 51 happens to sit in a place where, as I said, security has to be absolutely tight because it’s nothing but desert, government public lands, it’s secured public land. A lot of what goes on in Area 51 goes on at night so the Russian satellites can’t see what’s going on. That’s why people from time to time see things. It’s a fascinating place. If any of you have questions of me I’ll either answer them or I won’t but I’ll tell you up front whether I can tell you about it or not. I saw some things in Area 51 that, objects, that were strange, didn’t seem to be something that, at the time, we had the capability of manufacturing. I don’t know where they came from, I don’t know much about them. But I saw what I saw with my eyes. I did ask, on 2 separate occasions, one of caretakers, that’s what we called them, and I was told the first time - don’t ask. Now, remember, I had to have a Top Secret clearance, I had a "need to know". Our group, 80 of us, could go anywhere. We could ask any questions because of what we did. But that was one subject that I was told, don’t ask. The second time I asked, I was warned that if I asked again, some rather dire things might happen. So I never asked again. I’m familiar with the Roswell incident in 1947 (http://ufo.whipnet.org/images/area.51/area51.map.jpg) in New Mexico. I have every reason to believe that the Federal Government found something there. I have every reason to believe the Federal Government will never tell what they found there. We have so much paranoia of humans, anyway, if there was any leak that some sort of life form had visited this planet, the Federal Government is convinced that people would panic and that anarchy might prevail for awhile. That’s about all I can say.
The government is telling people that they’re dismantling Area 51. I always found that curious because there’s actually nothing to dismantle out there. Everything that’s out there has been brought there from somewhere else. Right next to Area 51 is the Nellis/Indian Springs AFB bombing and gunnery range and that’s where all the armored experiments go on. So it’s all kind of part of the same area. There were no nuclear weapons tests that were performed in Area 51. That’s an area that has been kept pristine, for very good reasons, mostly the other different parts of the test site have starting with Area 1 and ending with Area 26. Every area out there is numbered. Area 51 somehow got a designation of 51. There is no 27 through 50. But somebody decided to do that, it’s just like all of our nuclear weapons, they all have names. Every one had a name. That name was a code as to what size it was. The largest, I can say this without fear, the largest underground weapon I ever participated in was a five and a half megaton device, buried 5500 hundred feet below the desert floor, that we set off. That’s equivalent of 5 and a half million tons of TNT. And that was the biggest device ever exploded in the United States. A larger device than that exploded underneath Amchitka Island in Alaska some years later. There was a nuclear device set off in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. I don’t know how many of you people knew that, that was done in the 60’s. We’ve had a number of accidents out at the test site the public never knew about. I’m not really at liberty to talk about that except it may be interesting for you to know that I now live in South Dakota, I don’t live in Nevada anymore. And I will never live in Nevada. I personally have 2 body burdens of plutonium 39 in me and if I live long enough and become old enough, I will die of bone cancer. But I’m not worried about that because I knew what the risk was when I got into the business.

A lot of the friends and people I worked with are dead now. It’s a very risky, it’s a very high hazardous job. Nuclear weapons are something that are, well, there are so many of them that... the hazard that a nuclear weaponry poses isn’t blasting people off the face of the earth. We could have a war with Russia and they could have one with us and China and everybody could get involved in it, it still wouldn’t wipe out the human race. The problem comes after the bomb goes off because of what’s called fission products. And that’s the contamination that ensues. It’s getting to be a real big problem because of the reactors. The fire reactors create fission products and debris that we’re having a hard time figuring out what to do with. Probably most of that debris and waste will end up at the Nevada test site and that will be an area that for thousands and hundreds of thousands of years, no one will never be able to live there or, it will be a closed area. We’re developing the technology now, and I don’t mind talking about it because Popular Science came awfully close to the truth here a few months ago in one of their issues and I don’t think they even knew it. The Air Force in cooperation with the Department of Defense is developing an aircraft now that will go in speeds in excess of speeds of 10,000 mph which is almost fast enough to achieve orbit without boosters. And that is a nuclear powered thrust system. Whether or not that will ever become public or not, it’s hard to tell, because nuclear engines are very dirty - very dirty.

The only other things I can tell you about Area 51 is that there will never, in our life times, be any information let out about some of the things that are out there. I will say that it has become a storage area for oddities. That’s where, other than Kirkland Air Force Base, the Roswell debris was supposedly taken. All I can say is sometime, during my tenure at the Nevada Test Site, there was debris from Roswell, New Mexico stored away at Area 51. I was lucky enough or unlucky enough to see some of it. I don’t take any pleasure in that knowledge because it puts a constrain on me I don’t like to have.

Question: Could you describe what you saw concerning the Roswell debris?

Answer: No. I’ll tell you why, folks. I don’t know if any of you have been to Leavenworth, Kansas or not but that’s where the federal prison is. It’s hot, it’s humid and I have no desire whatsoever to go. I still have a real, legitimate respect for the Department of Defense security. When you leave out there they debrief you. And the debriefing lasted quite a few hours, the better part of a day and the bottom line was - don’t talk or else. That was the bottom line. And they gave you a list of things not to talk about. I have not violated any of those this afternoon. Since I left out there, I don’t believe I ever have. I’m very careful about it.

Question: I lived near an Air Force base and I used to see unusual things flying about. Are these things terrestrial or extraterrestrial?

Answer: Well, a group of fellows and I were on our way to work one night to the test site. We saw something that to this day.....this was an aircraft of some sort, aircraft being defined as an object in the atmosphere that is moving around. There were 6 of us, we were all trained observers, we were not the type of people who see things go bump in the night, I’m pretty skeptical about things, generally. That aircraft that we saw land, which was next to the test site, did some things that with the technology we had then and probably with the technology we have now, were impossible to do. We saw it, I saw it, the 5 other fellows with me, we stopped the car and got out and watched it for 15-20 minutes. I have no idea what it was. I had access to and was privy to a lot of classified information, for instance, the SR-71 was a common place aircraft to us and yet the general public knew nothing about it. But it came in and went and it made a lot of noise, that’s the only thing I didn’t like about it. It came in hot and it left hot. It came in over the speed of sound and it left at the speed of sound. So it was always making this horrible noise. That was a very common thing to see. Some of the other things I saw were uncommon.

Question: Who’s the boss, how did you get hired?
Answer: That was a mundane process. I went out there....

Question: Was it the Department of Defense?
Answer: At the time it was the Atomic Energy Commission when I was hired. And then it became the Energy Research and Development Administration and then it became Department of Energy, the government keeps changing the name. I was there during the visit of two presidents of the United States, Lyndon Johnson was one of them, Gerald Ford was the other one. Neither one of them were shown certain things. The President does not have Top Secret Clearance.

Question: Do you agree or disagree with that?
Answer: That’s a tough one. We live in a republic, a democratic republic, supposedly. I don’t trust most politicians, however, not because they’re dishonest, necessarily. Nuclear weapons are a very terrible thing. I’m ambivalent about it. I don’t know. The time when Lyndon Johnson came out there we tracked him through an area that was hot, none of us had anti-contamination clothing on, we had no instruments, we were dressed just like this, we let him walk through a contaminated area because it wasn’t supposed to be contaminated. That’s all I can say about that.

Question: These things you can’t talk about, in your opinion, do you feel it would cause mass hysteria? You seem calm.
Answer: No, it doesn’t bother me, I have this belief. We have already been to the moon, okay? Big deal. It’s not going to be too many more years until humans will be to Mars and beyond. It’s a matter of propulsion systems, it’s a matter of getting people to the point where they can live in space for long periods of time, either suspended animation or whatever, so they don’t come apart, mentally or physically. We have the technology to literally explore the solar system right now, the planets that are in the vicinity of us. And so it’s not a big thing. It doesn’t take much of a leap, quantum physics tells you accurately that the speed of light is not a speed which beyond it you cannot go. That old theory is gone. Quantum physics says that you may go faster than the speed of light. If that’s true, which it is, then travel to the nearest stars is possible. If we, who are barely out of the primeval mud as beings can do this, it doesn’t take much, it’s very logical to assume that there are other life forms out there somewhere. We’re not unique. Good Lord, if we are, it’s not much of a testimony is it? There are other life forms, certainly....nothing that I saw surprised me. What surprises me is the government’s paranoia about what the government knows. Consider the fact that the Federal Government won’t even tell you the truth about the budget process let alone anything else.

Question: Go back to the question who’s the boss.
Answer: Well, during the time I was out there, one of the bosses was Edward Teller. Edward Teller is the father of the hydrogen bomb. He worked for Lawrence Radiation Laboratory, he’s still alive and he’s as close to being a "god" in the scientific community and the nuclear weapons community as anybody on this earth. Edward Teller was held in far higher esteem than the President or anybody else. Might be interesting to note and this is not classified, during the time I was out there, the Soviet Union had an exchange program with us. It was not unusual to see Soviet scientists out at the test site on a regular basis. We shared a lot of information with them. I came to the conclusion, having talked to a lot of them over the years, that they were really not our enemies anywhere near to what the politicians wanted you to believe they were. We showed them... I showed them things that I couldn’t believe we were showing people from the Soviet Union. And I asked about that and was told that we had an exchange program and they were able to see things and become aware of things that I certainly wouldn’t have shown them.

Question: Did they see certain things that you couldn’t see?
Answer: No, they couldn’t go to Area 51.

Question: Why were we told they were so bad?
Answer: It’s always helpful to a nation to have an enemy.

Question: Between Teller and Oppenheimer, what’s your opinion about Oppenheimer......
Answer: Openheimer was railroaded, he was ruined because of the paranoia that was going on during that time. Robert Oppenheimer to me was a hero in the scientific community and the man’s life was ruined because of paranoia.

Question: Teller was kind of a political puppet.
Answer: Edward Teller was the kind of man that would have been loyal to Adolph Hitler or to whoever was the boss, so to speak. I didn’t like the man, I still don’t like the man. He’s arrogant, he was totally unsympathetic to radiation health and safety, he was totally unsympathetic to people’s lives and he still is.

Question: I was noticing your medical ID bracelet, is that related to your work?
Answer: I have MS, I also have degeneration of the retina. It’s probably... the exposure I got, the radioisotopes I have in me, it’s very probable that my medical conditions are because of what I did. But I want to add, I knew what I was doing, I was paid very well for it and I have no regrets.

Question: This is a stupid question but when they exploded that 5 and a half million ton bomb underground, didn’t that make a tremendous noise?

Answer: That was called Box Car, the name of that device was called Box Car. I don’t know how they name those things, they all have these strange names. I was on that test. I was assigned to it. When Box Car was detonated, it was 5500 feet under the surface, 5 and a half million tons of TNT equivalent, a device the size of...that log right there. Maybe a little shorter. Ground zero lifted 400 feet for a half a mile radius straight up in the air. And then came back down. What happened then underground would be, small or large, is a cavern is created at the point where the weapon was detonated, of various sizes depending on the size of the weapon. And then the ground starts to slough in all the way to the top - sometimes. Box Car didn’t because it was too deep, and you have a crater on top. If you were to fly over the Nevada Test Site, it looks just exactly like the moon. Precisely like the surface of the moon. There’s hundreds of craters. To give you an example, one device that was set off right after I got out there, in 1966, actually came out of the ground, on purpose. 6.9 million cubic yards of dirt came out of the ground, created a crater, in less than 2 seconds. That’s a crater a quarter of a mile across and 500 feet deep.

Question: (Unintelligible).
Answer: Yes, that’s Hattiesburg, Miss. At one point we had a project out there called Operation Plow Share. Operation Plow Share was designed to create weapons that were capable digging another canal across the isthmus of Panama. So we dug a canal out at the test site. It’s about a mile long, a hundred yards wide and it’s probably 400 feet deep. We used 5 nuclear weapons buried at shallow depths to create this ditch, instant ditch, that’s what we used to call it. It was Operation Buggy. And not surprisingly, the people of Panama took exception to us wanting to do that so we never did it. But we tested it. That was very popular in the 60’s, we thought we could use nuclear weapons to do industrial things. But we never could get them clean enough, we got them pretty clean but not clean enough. The clean weapon is a neutron bomb. The neutron bomb could be set off up here, 3-4 thousand feet up, we’d all die, the grass is OK, the trees are OK, the cars are OK but we are water bearing creatures and we would absorb so many neutrons that we’d be dead, instantly. The neutron bomb is in place, most of our intercontinental ballistic missiles have neutron bombs. While I was at the test site, [U]Jimmy Carter (http://ufo.whipnet.org/images/area.51/area51.hilltop.jpg) promised us that... now I happen to be a registered democrat, so I’m not beating up on a democrat here, Jimmy Carter promised during the campaign of ‘76 that if elected President he would never, ever test the neutron bomb or deploy it. What the American people didn’t know was that we’d already tested it. And right after he became President, in the next 4 years, we deployed it all over the world. There’s no reason to lie to people about that because the neutron bomb, if you have to have a bomb, it’s a clean bomb. It doesn’t contaminate, hardly at all, it’s a very efficient killing machine, yet the Federal Government chose to lie about it. I don’t know why.

Question: Can you tell us how the chain of command goes? I mean if it’s not the president who...
Answer: National Security Council, indirectly. The National Security Council includes both the civilian and the military, the National Security Council includes the Joint Chiefs of Staff. We’ve come very close folks, a couple of times, to having a military takeover in this country and I’m not one of those people who goes around saying these things but that’s just a fact. The last one was when Clinton got elected, we almost had a military takeover. The test site was locked down, that’s a term they use, before we had a test they’d lock the site down. You couldn’t go anywhere, for like 2-3 days. And if you were on the test you were locked within a lock down area. After Clinton was elected president that November, the test site was locked down and stayed locked down for 3 or 4 weeks. There was no testing going on. There was some concern about the transference of power during that time from the election to January 27 or whenever it was, January 20th, the inauguration took place. There’s been some pretty scary things happen. The only reason I knew about it is I worked out there. There would be times when we’d be put on alert, security alert, for reasons that were beyond me. There were times when things went the other way. Before we set Box Car off, I called home that morning and told my wife to put a bowl of water on the kitchen table, now this was 160 miles away, I lived in Las Vegas. I said watch it, zero time is at 5 o’clock. I called from the test site, everyone in Vegas knew, they stopped gambling during that time because of the roll of the dice. Vegas shut the casinos down for a few minutes, just the big ones. Box Car was so big, they had to say something about it, so at zero time, after to detonation, about a minute to 2 minutes later, my wife said that bowl of water sitting on the table splashed over and it actually did fall off the table. And that was 160 miles away as a crow flies.

Question: (Unintelligible)
Answer: Everything that goes on at the Nevada Test Site is on a "need to know" basis. There are 3 words that you will hear over and over, every single working day you’re out there, everything is on a "need to know". I was going to bring my security badge with me and I forgot it, I still have it. I had a top secret clearance with sigma’s on it. These sigma’s denoted what informational areas I was privy to and one of those areas was Area 51. I got it as a souvenir when I left, I talked the security people into letting me have it. There are all kinds of people in government that do not have the "need to know" of what’s going on out there, or at least parts of what’s going on out there. And they’re not told. And that includes the President.
The problem right now in this country is that we don’t have an enemy anymore, I only say that half facetiously, we’ll create one, one of these days.

Question: I was wondering about your remarks about Clinton, the National Security Council intelligence arm must be pretty poor if they were concerned about the transfer of power to a man like Clinton who has become such a puppet, it just doesn’t add up some how.
Answer: I don’t mean to sound sarcastic but the term military intelligence is an oxymoron.

Question: (Something about propulsion systems, mostly unintelligible.)
Answer: I can say this, anti-gravity devices exist, where they came from, that’s another matter of speculation. They’re unwillingness to talk about things like that within the government stems partly from human nature. If you’re privy to some information that you hold dear, regardless of what it is, we’re reluctant to share it with other people. That’s part of the problem. The other part of the problem is holding on to the information so it can be used militarily. We have become so used to having an enemy in this country and the need to have an enemy, another nation state, that’s it’s gotten pretty bad.

Question: What are your personal views about the future?
Answer: President Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex before he left office in 1960. I personally believe that there’s a reason we moved to the Black Hills of South Dakota. Partially because we’re at the top of the food chain here and the water chain. I like to live in a place where the water isn’t going to be contaminated. I personally feel that there’s a good chance, an excellent chance that there’s going to be limited nuclear war in the next 5-6 years. And whether that escalates into a global confrontation, who knows. But it’s going to happen just as sure as I’m standing here. The temptation to use nuclear weapons is getting more and more, tactical, not strategical nuclear weapons, the tactical nuclear weapons. We spent a lot of time out there testing tactical nuclear weapons, 150 kilo tons, 150,000 tons of TNT and less. Small devices, devices that paratroopers can jump out of planes, with them on their back. I can carry one around in a suitcase and the problem with that is, nuclear devices have become so small, so compact, so efficient, that if terrorists ever get their hands on one, and it’s amazing that they haven’t, absolutely amazing, it’s going to make this thing in Oklahoma City look like a walk in the park. Because the first terrorist group that gets their hands on a nuclear device.....you know we all used to say, well, China can’t do it because they can’t deliver the weapons, that was a bunch of hog wash. You don’t need rockets to deliver nuclear weapons, all you need is a suitcase, it’s that simple. I can give you the address of a company in San Francisco that would be more than happy to send you the blueprints for a nuclear weapon for $19.95.

Question: (Something about crop circles)
Answer: You know, those crop circles are amazing, I don’t know where they’re coming from. We had places out in Nevada, there were no crops, it was sand and low bushes, with crop circles identical to those at the test site.

Question: Were we responsible?
Answer: I can tell you one thing, at the test site, it wasn’t some prank. In England some say it was some pranksters but at the Nevada test site it wasn’t a prank. There are no pranks out there.

Question: No sense of humor?
Answer: You know what, actually there’s a lot of people that work out there that do have a sense of humor. I have friend who has a picture of himself sitting on a nuclear weapon smoking a joint. Now if that were found out, he’d be in really big doggie do-do. But he’s a guy that works for Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory in New Mexico.

Question: (Unintelligible)
Answer: You see, the insidious part about what we call reality like radiation... we could be sitting here and right there in that cooler could be a lethal radio isotope of say cesium 137 or strontium 90 and you would never know it. Unless you had an instrument that detected it or if there were enough of it to where you became sick and got radiation sickness, and subsequently died. A lot of what we call reality, what we see, we hear, we smell, we taste, we feel, isn’t quite the way we think it is. From a physics point of view, there is no such thing as color. We’re all sitting around here seeing colors that don’t exist. Light is electromagnetic radiation and it’s colorless. Our brains interpret different wave lengths of color through our optic nerve, what our minds call color, green jacket, brown pants, there is no color there. Your brain is interpreting color, different wave lengths and I call it green and I call it brown. We mostly all agree on these things, generally speaking but we all see different things. There is no color. So you have to stop and think about crazy things you see in the sky at night that may or not be unexplainable. To someone else may be very common, very explainable and very ordinary. I’m just about to walk over the edge here . . . they may not be . . . if you were to see a person, you may not recognize that person as someone you thought might live on the face of this planet. And that’s all I’ll say about that, I swore to God I wasn’t going to say that.

Question: (Unintelligible)
Answer: If a race of beings had the ability to travel from Alpha Centauri to here, they would certainly have the ability to camouflage themselves, either to where we couldn’t detect them or to look like us. We’re a diverse looking race of beings, they could look almost like anything. There’s creatures on this planet that look pretty strange.
I have a healthy respect for and a fear of my Federal Government. Because I’ve seen my Federal Government do some really bad things to people. There were people out at the test site that were the subjects of radiation experiments, I’ve seen them tie animals down in areas that were going to be tested, we had a tower out there, it was called Bren Tower, it was 1300 feet tall and at the top of that tower there was a reactor, unshielded, small reactor and around the base of that tower for a half a mile or so we would put experiments out, live experiments and see how much radiation they could take. How much gamma radiation, how much beta, how many neutrons they could absorb, these were animals.

Question: When we dropped the bomb in Japan in 1945, we didn’t know what the after effects were going to be.
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Answer: When we tested the first device in July of 1945, the Trinity device, in Alamogordo, New Mexico, the scientists didn’t know for sure if that wouldn’t cause a never ending chain of reactions and it would absolutely destroy the world. They knew they had x pounds of fissionable material in that trinity device but they didn’t know if that would trigger more reactions or not. They didn’t know what was going to happen. When they dropped the Fat Boy and Little Man on those 2 Japanese cities, they had all this experience of one device. And they dropped those very dirty devices and the war ended. Personally, I happen to believe that was the thing to do because I think a million or more Americans, soldiers would have died and a lot of Japanese people would have died if we had invaded the homeland.
Something else, we have laser weapons now that make nuclear weapons look pretty weak. We tested a lot a laser weaponry out there when I was there in the 70’s, all kinds of laser weapons. Laser weapons are far more selective. A nuclear weapon is just a great big bomb that blows up and you have the radiation and the heat and the wind and all that. They’re not as all destructive as people think they are. The new ones aren’t as dirty as people think they are.

Question: (Unintelligible).
Answer: What I know about anti-gravity devices I’m not at liberty to talk about. Area 51 does not deal with nuclear weaponry. Physics, folks, is advancing in leaps and bounds, all technology is advancing in leaps and bounds. One of the most dangerous things that’s happening to the human race right now is we’re being left behind. I can’t even run my son’s computer as well as he can and technology is going faster than our ability to keep up with it. And when I say our ability, I’m not talking about just us, I’m talking about the people that build it. We’re a couple of years away from artificial intelligence, computerized, artificial intelligence that has the ability to reason, to think, to comprehend existence. If you stop and think about that, that’s pretty scary. It gets to the point where maybe we become liabilities. When I was a youngster, Buck Rogers and all that stuff was science fiction. And it’s advancing exponentially. My mother who passed away a few years ago rode on a stage coach here in the Black Hills. She also saw men walk on the moon. Now you take another 20 years from now, and when I say it’s increasing exponentially, the graph of scientific knowledge isn’t going up like this, it’s going straight up, practically. We’re talking about now, this Area 51 thing, the government will hang on until the last dog dies before they’ll tell you what’s going on out there. Even after it becomes irrelevant anymore, even after it becomes where it’s no secret. The government still won’t talk about the things that happened in W.W.II, I’m not talking about nuclear things, I’m talking about the Philadelphia Experiment, and I shouldn’t have even mentioned that. The government will not talk about all kinds of things that they already know about.

Question: (Something about all the TV programs about UFO’s, government ready to tell.)
Answer: It isn’t the government loosening up, no. I have friends that work in government security. And they absolutely gnash their teeth at the fact that all these things leak out constantly and they lay awake at night trying to figure out ways to plug leaks.
I think I told you all what I could without laying awake tonight wondering if I told you too much, I hope it was helpful. The best thing you can do to keep the society as free and open as possible is to make sure the politicians we elect to office don’t allow themselves to be sucked into the vortex of secrecy that the government always wants to have. And if you see anything flying around, believe your eyes, and believe it isn’t a weather balloon, if the government says it’s something, it’s pretty safe to disbelieve them.
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[ShaE]

I think assuming we're the only intelligent life in the entire universe would be a tad self-absorbed lol Considering how old some of the other galaxies are, it's kinda nutty to think NO OTHER life has existed. Now if we're talking fkin moonmen abducting hicks from the woods and scared kids from their beds, my skepticism arises lol

But they're prob out there, and way too smart to be bothered w/ us lol

[JustLikeHeaven]

I think assuming we're the only intelligent life in the entire universe would be a tad self-absorbed lol Considering how old some of the other galaxies are, it's kinda nutty to think NO OTHER life has existed. Now if we're talking fkin moonmen abducting hicks from the woods and scared kids from their beds, my skepticism arises lol

But they're prob out there, and way too smart to be bothered w/ us lol

I def think so also.

I totally believe in aliens lol. In fact I think we have some living amongst us :chuckle

[ShaE]

I def think so also.

I totally believe in aliens lol. In fact I think we have some living amongst us :chuckle
i'd like to make their acquaintance. good convo with highly intelligent beings is scarce round these parts lol

[Benny B]

I def think so also.

I totally believe in aliens lol. In fact I think we have some living amongst us :chuckle

i think you are one.. :hmmm

[JustLikeHeaven]

i'd like to make their acquaintance. good convo with highly intelligent beings is scarce round these parts lol

LOL seriously!


i think you are one.. :hmmm

Tru that - I am def outta this world :chuckle

[just jess]

i want to know where tupac is
and what really happened with 9/11 so i have more ammo to bash bush with

i also want to know who does all these crazy crop circles

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/crop-circle-12.jpg

[Eleni]

I totally believe in aliens lol. In fact I think we have some living amongst us :chuckle

read what I just posted...its refernced but not in so many words....



i also want to know who does all these crazy crop circles

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/crop-circle-12.jpg


read what I posted...crop circles are referenced too! (By an ex employee of Area 51)

[FAST]

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i also want to know who does all these crazy crop circles

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/crop-circle-12.jpg




do a search, most are hoaxs, by bored rednecks

:chuckle

[eL FryEdo]

read what I just posted...its refernced but not in so many words....




read what I posted...crop circles are referenced too! (By an ex employee of Area 51)

some of the shit he said was nuts ... like there was almost military takeover when clinton got into office :hitting