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Leon
09-28-2003, 02:40 PM
Academia (Colleges, Universities, both public and private) should mean freedom of expression. What it should mean and what it DOES mean are two different things. Many have voiced alarm and some even went as far as calling the Academia world discriminatory towards dissenting views and opposition.

Well yesterday, The New York Times, ladies and gentlemen, out of all place, has published a marvelous OpEd from David Brooks on just this topic. I found that it backed member's assertions but in revealing the inner circles of this I was also very much alarmed by this.

You see, to me at least, Academia SHOULD be a place where you are honored and celebrated and at the very least recognized for what you know, now what politics you choose. Even if you disagree with one's views, Academia, *I* thought, was the best place to debate, discuss, and present your views. The goal was for the opposition not necessarily AGREE with yours, but to UNDERSTAND why one may think the way they do. Of course, in today's world in America, that's not even a discussion.

Here's a quote on what Mr. Kors, who happens to be a conservative, uses as a logic form in discussing what happens when a young conservative (he or she) is thinking about pursuing an academic career in the humanities or social sciences.



"This is one of the most difficult things," says Alan Kors, a rare conservative at Penn. "One is desperate to see people of independent mind willing to enter the academic world. On the other hand, it is simply the case they will be entering hostile and discriminatory territory."

"Here's what I'm thinking when an outstanding kid comes in," says George, of Princeton. "If the kid applies to one of the top graduate schools, he's likely to be not admitted. Say he gets past that first screen. He's going to face pressure to conform, or he'll be the victim of discrimination. It's a lot harder to hide then than it was as an undergrad.

"But say he gets through. He's going to run into intense discrimination trying to find a job. But say he lands a tenure-track job. He'll run into even more intense discrimination because the establishment gets more concerned the closer you get to the golden ring. By the time you come up for tenure, you're in your mid-30's with a spouse and a couple of kids. It's the worst time to be uncertain about your career. Can I really take the responsibility of advising a kid to take these kinds of risks?"

The most common advice conservative students get is to keep their views in the closet. Will Inboden was working on a master's degree in U.S. history at Yale when a liberal professor pulled him aside after class and said: "You're one of the best students I've got, and you could have an outstanding career. But I have to caution you: hiring committees are loath to hire political conservatives. You've got to be really quiet."

Conservative professors emphasize that most discrimination is not conscious.

Am I alone to think that when my kid is old enough to go to College, a College in the US may not be the best choice for her? As a matter of fact, if I were faced with that decision today, I'd probably send her to Central or Eastern Europe. While she is being taught objectively--and that she will--she will also pick up another language.

If parents like myself decide to do the same thing, or something similar, I fear for the future of what will become America. Now, granted being a lefty is not the worst thing in the world, but being brainwashed in to one is one of the most disgusted things I can think of. Perhaps it's because I came to America thinking Lenin was God and will never ever forget how I felt when my world came crushing down when I found out the real truth.

MsRay
09-29-2003, 06:53 PM
I agree with you Leon ... one would think that Academia is the place where a plurality of views are tolerated.

TheHipHopBillGates
09-30-2003, 12:04 PM
I think this extends alot farther then just teaching. I strongly felt that the high school I graduated from catered to a certain group of kids and couldn't be bothered with the rest. IE if we didnt confirm to their stereotypical norms, myself in particular was no angel by any measure, got a 1510 on my sat's, but finished high school with a 1.69 GPA. And I was just one of a pretty big sized group that teachers couldn't be "bothered" helping. Where as in a more laxed college environment I was able to have a 3.6 in undergrad, a 4.0 for my first masters and currently 3.5 while getting my 2nd masters. And I think this extends even out of the into society in general, where people are forced to conform to "norms" ex. people who do drugs, excessive anything, or radicate are persecuted. I mean even basic statistics are rationalized on this way of thinking, ie if you variant to far from the mean your an outlier. It's seems like deep rooted push for an Edward Scissorhands/Matrix house, yard, dog & picket fence utopia to me.

Leon
09-30-2003, 12:36 PM
Hip, I think Einstein would agree with you since even in the twenties the same system, albeit in Germany, was marred towards the goody tooshoos. :)

Remember, Einstein's teacher also state that he will not amount to anything.

For what you are speaking of, check out <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/rn/science/ockham/stories/s223949.htm">this article.</a>

TheHipHopBillGates
09-30-2003, 12:57 PM
great article thanks, not to compare myself to geniuses, but it's nice to notice similarities with other people, going into a daze during lectures, not being bookish and having to keep active an pacing to keep attention.

Capt'nAmerica
09-30-2003, 04:20 PM
I stepped foot in my English 2 weeks ago and it was five minutes before this tree hugging professor starts popping off about Bush and Iraq and how Hillary Clinton was his favorite politician:mad:

I had to drop the class because it was only a matter of time before he got "It's English not Poli science Guy, teach it" and I could see him flunking on my political preference...

TheHipHopBillGates
09-30-2003, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by Capt'nAmerica
I stepped foot in my English 2 weeks ago and it was five minutes before this tree hugging professor starts popping off about Bush and Iraq and how Hillary Clinton was his favorite politician:mad:

I had to drop the class because it was only a matter of time before he got "It's English not Poli science Guy, teach it" and I could see him flunking on my political preference...

I know what your feeling, I have an Operations Management class with this Professor who can't speak english. For some reason shows us his teaching creditials the first day(like maybe someone challenged them before). Anyway can't understand a fucking word he say's, where the class is going, or what points he's trying to get across and my last pre-school job was as an Operations Manager.

raver_mania
10-01-2003, 12:41 PM
Interesting to know if you'd think the same if the tables were turned. If it were conservatives in the majority, do you really think there would be absolutely no discrimination against liberals (I've seen how both sides bad-mouth each other, so I highly doubt there would be no discrimination).

Leon
10-01-2003, 01:43 PM
Bias views from either the left or the right is frowned upon yours truly.