$300,000

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so our moronic government can have pictures of AIR FORCE one over NYC

is that realllllllllllllllly necessary in this economy...

in the grand scheme of spending its just a drop in a bucket...but for a family in need that's a few years of survival


:disgusted

[metfan85]

or how about all the people that were terrified since Obama decided it would be a nice photo op to send a plane in the same spot as the planes that crashed into the Twin Towers.

he's such an arrogant prick

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or how about all the people that were terrified since Obama decided it would be a nice photo op to send a plane in the same spot as the planes that crashed into the Twin Towers.

he's such an arrogant prick


i dont even really blame him for that part, that was mor ethe airforce, faa or whoever the hell was running this moronic mission.

but if he approved this, so he can have a new x mas card, then I hope his new dog bites his balls while he sleeps

[chris817]

This was a stupid idea, but i dont blame obama on this. I hardly think he came up with this idea
I blame the FAA, NYPD, FBI who all approved but love the fact they did not tell Bloomberg. Made him look like a tool

[metfan85]

The Obama administration told NYC officials to not let anyone know other than the people directly informed, and that included the public. Of course since we don't live our lives to be free men, we live so they can use as they see fit, and if that means scaring forever into thinking 9/11 part 2 is around the corner so be it.

And you guys can't be so naive to believe Obama that he is "furious", what he is, is full of shit.

[kroms]

Photoshop $379

:wallbang

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Photoshop $379

:wallbang


:lol:lol

whosjohnny = free and prob better

[Defekted]

or how about all the people that were terrified since Obama decided it would be a nice photo op to send a plane in the same spot as the planes that crashed into the Twin Towers.

he's such an arrogant prick

really? please provide the link that shows he knew anything about this.

[joeylima]

really? please provide the link that shows he knew anything about this.

if he didnt know, then there is something SERIOUSLY wrong...air force one being tailed by fighter jets in nyc and hes wasnt in the know??? :rolleyes:

c'mon man...think about it, how could he not have known?

and if he didnt, like I said, there is something SERIOUSLY wrong and he should re-evaluate the people he chose to keep him informed

[Defekted]

if he didnt know, then there is something SERIOUSLY wrong...air force one being tailed by fighter jets in nyc and hes wasnt in the know??? :rolleyes:

c'mon man...think about it, how could he not have known?

and if he didnt, like I said, there is something SERIOUSLY wrong and he should re-evaluate his ENTIRE admin...

This is why it is so important to read the facts before posting.

1) This was the backup Airforce one (another jet)
2) Obama was not on it
3) the White House Military Office Director Mr. Caldera made the decision for the photo op and only notified the NYPD and Air Control - Obama didnt know and Bloomberg didnt know

But again, by all means, if you can provide any information that proves otherwise please share, cause sharing is caring......

[Studz]

Agree with Kroms photoshop would have been a better method.

and obama did not okay this

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/04/president-ob-28.html

President Obama "Furious" to Hear of Plane Incident
April 27, 2009 5:48 PM

A White House official tells ABC News that President Obama was "furious" to hear about the incident this morning when Air Force One and Air Force fighter jets appeared to be flying into the Manhattan skyline, scaring many New Yorkers into thinking they were about to face another terrorist attack.

Many buildings in lower Manhattan evacuated. Angry New York politicians lashed out at whoever was responsible for the incident -- which turned out to have been for a photo op.

An explanation was forthcoming in a mea culpa statement issued from the White House.

“Last week, I approved a mission over New York," Louis Caldera, director of the White House military office, said. "I take responsibility for that decision. While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, it’s clear that the mission created confusion and disruption. I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused.”

When President Obama was told about the incident, he was "furious," a White House official says.

Caldera was called into a meeting with White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel and deputy chief of staff Jim Messina.

"It didn't sound like a fun meeting," the White House official says.

[joeylima]

This is why it is so important to read the facts before posting.

1) This was the backup Airforce one (another jet)
2) Obama was not on it
3) the White House Military Office Director Mr. Caldera made the decision for the photo op and only notified the NYPD and Air Control - Obama didnt know and Bloomberg didnt know

But again, by all means, if you can provide any information that proves otherwise please share, cause sharing is caring......

i know it was a back up jet and obama wasnt on it...

the fact remains, if he didnt know, there is something wrong....

you can take obamas word for it that he didnt know, i will take his response of " i didnt know" the same way i took his response of "i didnt know" when it came to his pastors views and call a RESOUNDING bull sh*t lol

[Defekted]

i know it was a back up jet and obama wasnt on it...

the fact remains, if he didnt know, there is something wrong....

you can take obamas word for it that he didnt know, i will take his response of " i didnt know" the same way i took his response of i didnt know about rev wrights views and call a RESOUNDING bull sh*t lol

Well thats on you, and you can join the paranoid group of kids here that second guess everything he says...... as if he would lie about something so stupid that could EASILY be verified in a milisecond with white house documents, emails, and meeting notes.... if he was notified and he ok'd this, you can bet the house that it was documented like EVERY ok he gives......

sorry but I highly doubt this is an orchestrated coverup for something this stupid. The director wasnt thinking and did the photo op....... might lose his job. Obama had NOTHING to do with it.

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Agree with Kroms photoshop would have been a better method.

and obama did not okay this

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/04/president-ob-28.html

President Obama "Furious" to Hear of Plane Incident
April 27, 2009 5:48 PM

A White House official tells ABC News that President Obama was "furious" to hear about the incident this morning when Air Force One and Air Force fighter jets appeared to be flying into the Manhattan skyline, scaring many New Yorkers into thinking they were about to face another terrorist attack.

Many buildings in lower Manhattan evacuated. Angry New York politicians lashed out at whoever was responsible for the incident -- which turned out to have been for a photo op.

An explanation was forthcoming in a mea culpa statement issued from the White House.

“Last week, I approved a mission over New York," Louis Caldera, director of the White House military office, said. "I take responsibility for that decision. While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, it’s clear that the mission created confusion and disruption. I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused.”

When President Obama was told about the incident, he was "furious," a White House official says.

Caldera was called into a meeting with White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel and deputy chief of staff Jim Messina.

"It didn't sound like a fun meeting," the White House official says.


lol thats screams of FAKE RAGE and a FALL GUY

cmon now.....

[joeylima]

Well thats on you, and you can join the paranoid group of kids here that second guess everything he says...... as if he would lie about something so stupid that could EASILY be verified in a milisecond with white house documents, emails, and meeting notes.... if he was notified and he ok'd this, you can bet the house that it was documented like EVERY ok he gives......

sorry but I highly doubt this is an orchestrated coverup for something this stupid. The director wasnt thinking and did the photo op....... might lose his job. Obama had NOTHING to do with it.

I don't second guess everything he says, but I have a hard time believing he didnt know and he is "furious" lol.

If this was Bush, you'd be saying the same thing as me bro and saying how naive i was to believe he didnt know...just admit it lol

[James Maxx]

FUCK and I took a day off Monday. I wish I saw this plane.

[metfan85]

Well thats on you, and you can join the paranoid group of kids here that second guess everything he says...... as if he would lie about something so stupid that could EASILY be verified in a milisecond with white house documents, emails, and meeting notes.... if he was notified and he ok'd this, you can bet the house that it was documented like EVERY ok he gives......

sorry but I highly doubt this is an orchestrated coverup for something this stupid. The director wasnt thinking and did the photo op....... might lose his job. Obama had NOTHING to do with it.

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

by "paranoid group of kids of here that second guess everything he says" do you mean YOU when talking about Bush?

fucking hypocrite.

obviously you got your boy in the presidency and he can do no wrong. lets face the facts the only reason you agree with the war, agree with runaway military spending, agree with giving the people's money to "big business" are because of Obama, since when do you agree with the wiretaps? Bush started it was going against the constitution oh he patriot act was illegal. Everything Obama has done is illegall, but not a fucking peep, be a man and have some principles. or at least say he's your boy and can do no wrong.

there's more credibility and consistency to be found in a jobless drunk in the bar at 1pm than in anything you say (well except for your total hatred of Israel and Christianity, especially white European Christians, that's pretty consistent unless of course if Obama came out and said he was a faithful follower of brother John Birch then I'm sure you'd have a change of heart within minutes)

[Defekted]

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

by "paranoid group of kids of here that second guess everything he says" do you mean YOU when talking about Bush?

fucking hypocrite.

obviously you got your boy in the presidency and he can do no wrong. lets face the facts the only reason you agree with the war, agree with runaway military spending, agree with giving the people's money to "big business" are because of Obama, since when do you agree with the wiretaps? Bush started it was going against the constitution oh he patriot act was illegal. Everything Obama has done is illegall, but not a fucking peep, be a man and have some principles. or at least say he's your boy and can do no wrong.

there's more credibility and consistency to be found in a jobless drunk in the bar at 1pm than in anything you say (well except for your total hatred of Israel and Christianity, especially white European Christians, that's pretty consistent unless of course if Obama came out and said he was a faithful follower of brother John Birch then I'm sure you'd have a change of heart within minutes)

rather than your pathetic rant, please provide a link bitch, there might be an exlcusive that southern avenger has that the liberal fixed media didnt get yet. Hook it up.

[Forca Barca]

so our moronic government can have pictures of AIR FORCE one over NYC

is that realllllllllllllllly necessary in this economy...

in the grand scheme of spending its just a drop in a bucket...but for a family in need that's a few years of survival


:disgusted

Nevermind all the money they cost the companies who evacuated their buildings. All those people running down 40 flights of stairs were still on the clock.


Well thats on you, and you can join the paranoid group of kids here that second guess everything he says...... as if he would lie about something so stupid that could EASILY be verified in a milisecond with white house documents, emails, and meeting notes.... if he was notified and he ok'd this, you can bet the house that it was documented like EVERY ok he gives......

sorry but I highly doubt this is an orchestrated coverup for something this stupid. The director wasnt thinking and did the photo op....... might lose his job. Obama had NOTHING to do with it.

The same White House that said he didnt bow?

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Nevermind all the money they cost the companies who evacuated their buildings. All those people running down 40 flights of stairs were still on the clock.

?

when Obama administration waste money, its Ok...its all part of CHANGE,

:wallbang:wallbang:wallbang:wallbang:wallbang:wall bang:wallbang:wallbang :shootme

[JustLikeHeaven]

I haven't read anything saying Obama knew about this not sure where u guys are getting your info from. For everyone claiming he was aware why can't u provide a link ?

[Defekted]

I haven't read anything saying Obama knew about this not sure where u guys are getting your info from. For everyone claiming he was aware why can't u provide a link ?

Simple, because it doesnt exist.

[DINO nYc]

Simple, because it doesnt exist.

I honestly believe that he didn't know either.

What is obviously apparent now, is that Obama did not pick the sharpest tools in the shed for his administartion.

[JustLikeHeaven]

Simple, because it doesnt exist.

Lol, preciselay.

[joeylima]

Lol, preciselay.

Its an opinion, not a fact, therefore, no link.

[Defekted]

I honestly believe that he didn't know either.

What is obviously apparent now, is that Obama did not pick the sharpest tools in the shed for his administartion.

Thats a whole other debate which you can definitely point to a few bad choices (tax problems, this guy).... and some great ones. But to accuse like Metfan

"how about all the people that were terrified since Obama decided it would be a nice photo op to send a plane in the same spot as the planes that crashed into the Twin Towers.

he's such an arrogant prick"

is pretty lame. Talk about losing credibility. Tisk Tisk

Sounds like more than "AN OPINION" but rather a factual statement...... so links are needed Joey.

[joeylima]

I honestly believe that he didn't know either.

What is obviously apparent now, is that Obama did not pick the sharpest tools in the shed for his administartion.

:agree

[JustLikeHeaven]

Its an opinion, not a fact, therefore, no link.

It's not an opinion, Metfan for one directly accused him, to make an accusation saying "Obama decided it would be a nice photo op..." one should def have something to back that up, don't u think.

[joeylima]

Simple, because it doesnt exist.

If this happened under BUsh, and he said he didnt know about it, wouldnt you have either a) said he was full of it, or b) call him a moron?

[joeylima]

It's not an opinion, Metfan for one directly accused him, to make an accusation saying "Obama decided it would be a nice photo op..." one should def have something to back that up, don't u think.

Well in my case, i just think hes lying...im not saying i have documents proving he knew lol.

If thsi was bush, you all would say hes lying, so whats wrong with me saying it?

The bigger issue to me though, is if he didnt know, why didnt he know??? Seems like something that he should be informed about, no? He need to re-evaluate some the people around him imo.

[DINO nYc]

If this happened under BUsh, and he said he didnt know about it, wouldnt you have either a) said he was full of it, or b) call him a moron?

I agree, there are definitely double standards when dealing with Bush screw ups and Obama screw ups.

[Defekted]

If this happened under BUsh, and he said he didnt know about it, wouldnt you have either a) said he was full of it, or b) call him a moron?

With all the things I had on Bush, do you think I would really waste my time with this nonesense? It wouldnt even be on the radar.

Guy should get fired, period, end of story, whether he was under bush or obama. He is the White House Military Office, I mean if he cant get this right, there isnt much else in his job description that he needs to handle..... buh bye.....

[joeylima]

I agree, there are definitely double standards when dealing with Bush screw ups and Obama screw ups.

Thanks, that's all i'm trying to say.

[DINO nYc]

Guy should get fired, period, end of story, whether he was under bush or obama. He is the White House Military Office, I mean if he cant get this right, there isnt much else in his job description that he needs to handle..... buh bye.....

:yipee

[joeylima]

With all the things I had on Bush, do you think I would really waste my time with this nonesense? It wouldnt even be on the radar.

Guy should get fired, period, end of story, whether he was under bush or obama. He is the White House Military Office, I mean if he cant get this right, there isnt much else in his job description that he needs to handle..... buh bye.....

You didn't answer my questions exactly, but I'm pretty confident I know the answer lol.

In any event, I agree it was a bonehaed move and if in fact Obama didnt know, he should can this guy pronto.

[JustLikeHeaven]

Well in my case, i just think hes lying...im not saying i have documents proving he knew lol.

If thsi was bush, you all would say hes lying, so whats wrong with me saying it?

The bigger issue to me though, is if he didnt know, why didnt he know??? Seems like something that he should be informed about, no? He need to re-evaluate some the people around him imo.

This I def agree with
And as much as I hated Bush, no I would not accuse him and say he must have known, he's gotta be lying - without having any good reason to believe so/something to back up the claim.

[Defekted]

I agree, there are definitely double standards when dealing with Bush screw ups and Obama screw ups.

Thats my whole point, THIS ISNT AN OBAMA SCREWUP, like it wasnt a bloomberg screwup or whatever.... How can one blame someone who wasnt in the know about it? This was a dumb thing that happened down the line, and in 8 years there will be many more I am sure......

lets worry about things like

1) the two wars
2) stimulus package
3) bank bailouts
4) healthcare reform
5) immigration reform
6) mideast peace process
7) iran nuclear proliferation
8) housing crisis

etc etc etc

all things that Obama is pushing for solutions.... he may not OWN this recession or many of these monumental issues around the globe and here at home, but he DOES OWN the solutions he is putting forward...... whether you agree with any or all of the solutions to any of the above issues and more thats one thing, and we can debate that....

but this is nonesense.

[FAST]

I haven't read anything saying Obama knew about this not sure where u guys are getting your info from. For everyone claiming he was aware why can't u provide a link ?


Simple, because it doesnt exist.

i def dont think or care if he did know

all I know is that if this was bush you maniacs would be leading the charge saying

"he doesnt know what going on in his governemnt"
or

"blahblahblah anti bush nonsense blah blah blah "

:chuckle

[DINO nYc]

If Obama was smart, he should take blind responsibility for it, fire the guy, and call it a day. It would shut up all critics in a second.

[FAST]

If this happened under BUsh, and he said he didnt know about it, wouldnt you have either a) said he was full of it, or b) call him a moron?


I agree, there are definitely double standards when dealing with Bush screw ups and Obama screw ups.

didnt see these before my response


but

BINGO

[joeylima]

but this is nonesense.

I agree, this is merely a blip on the radar in the grand scheme of things...not worth debating.
I was just responding cuz the post was already out there.

[DINO nYc]

Thats my whole point, THIS ISNT AN OBAMA SCREWUP, like it wasnt a bloomberg screwup or whatever.... How can one blame someone who wasnt in the know about it? This was a dumb thing that happened down the line, and in 8 years there will be many more I am sure......

lets worry about things like

1) the two wars
2) stimulus package
3) bank bailouts
4) healthcare reform
5) immigration reform
6) mideast peace process
7) iran nuclear proliferation
8) housing crisis

etc etc etc

all things that Obama is pushing for solutions.... he may not OWN this recession or many of these monumental issues around the globe and here at home, but he DOES OWN the solutions he is putting forward...... whether you agree with any or all of the solutions to any of the above issues and more thats one thing, and we can debate that....

but this is nonesense.

Its not an Obama screw-up, but rather an Obama administration screw-up. If somebody in gov't screws up, it not only reflects a negative image on that particular person, but also on the administration as a whole. It happened time and time again in the Bushy admin, and will continue to happen in the Obama admin. I'm not saying it's the end of the world, but people are bound to make mistakes and in the end it will make Obama look bad.

[eL FryEdo]

If this happened under BUsh, and he said he didnt know about it, wouldnt you have either a) said he was full of it, or b) call him a moron?

nevermind he knew about the ones that actually hit the towers :twitch

[Defekted]

I agree, this is merely a blip on the radar in the grand scheme of things...not worth debating.
I was just responding cuz the post was already out there.

I think the incident itself isnt a blip on the radar, in fact i think its very serious.... cause all those people that evactuated the buildings could have gotten hurt, god forbid someone had a heart attack or got trampled....

but to say the arrogant obama prick booked this photo op, well that needs to get backed or you run the risk of getting called out for a fool.

and if anyone would like to imagine what "i would say" if this was Bush, there is no need to imagine.... just take the time (few minutes) to use the search feature on NCC. I joined in 2005, meaning there are 3+ years of Bush blunders I called him out on. Point out where I laid blame on him for something he has no clue about......IN FACT, lol, I would argue i do the opposite..... i think he is SUCH a moron, that he doesnt DO ANYTHING and is just a figure piece, and its really cheney and co. that pulls all the strings.

[JustLikeHeaven]

I think the incident itself isnt a blip on the radar, in fact i think its very serious.... cause all those people that evactuated the buildings could have gotten hurt, god forbid someone had a heart attack or got trampled....

but to say the arrogant obama prick booked this photo op, well that needs to get backed or you run the risk of getting called out for a fool.

and if anyone would like to imagine what "i would say" if this was Bush, there is no need to imagine.... just take the time (few minutes) to use the search feature on NCC. I joined in 2005, meaning there are 3+ years of Bush blunders I called him out on. Point out where I laid blame on him for something he has no clue about......IN FACT, lol, I would argue i do the opposite..... i think he is SUCH a moron, that he doesnt DO ANYTHING and is just a figure piece, and its really cheney and co. that pulls all the strings.

lmao...very true

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funny thing is, I origianlly targeted the governemnt as awhole on this one

but I knew it would lead to this

you guys defend obama like he's your father......maybe get out more :chuckle

its really not THAT serious

[JustLikeHeaven]

Its not an Obama screw-up, but rather an Obama administration screw-up. If somebody in gov't screws up, it not only reflects a negative image on that particular person, but also on the administration as a whole. It happened time and time again in the Bushy admin, and will continue to happen in the Obama admin. I'm not saying it's the end of the world, but people are bound to make mistakes and in the end it will make Obama look bad.

U are right, it will make him look bad in the sense that it's a negative reflection of his admin...but that's different than saying he is an arrogant prick and was aware of it himself.

[Defekted]

funny thing is, I origianlly targeted the governemnt as awhole on this one

but I knew it would lead to this

you guys defend obama like he's your father......maybe get out more :chuckle

its really not THAT serious

Metfan set it off with Post #2 on this thread..... without that one, I am sorry to say kid, but your thread would have been a "1 post wonder"

lol

[DINO nYc]

U are right, it will make him look bad in the sense that it's a negative reflection of his admin...but that's different than saying he is an arrogant prick and was aware of it himself.

Regardless of how it was previously stated, it makes Obama himself look bad. Its a no win sitaution - if he didn't know about it, then the question of why didn't he know comes up. If he tries to lay all the blame on Caldera, he ends up looking like a dumb ass because he's the one who hired him.

[JustLikeHeaven]

Lol...in my initial reply I was genuinely wondering if maybe one of u had read something I didn't - cause I had not heard anything about Obama being in the know about it...but I guess it was just another baseless accusation.

[JustLikeHeaven]

Regardless of how it was previously stated, it makes Obama himself look bad. Its a no win sitaution - if he didn't know about it, then the question of why didn't he know comes up. If he tries to lay all the blame on Caldera, he ends up looking like a dumb ass because he's the one who hired him.

Again, I didn't disagree with u on that lol. If the public wants some accountability from him I guess I can see what you mean, but I do also understand if I was in his position I would first and foremost be enraged that I was not told about it.

[FAST]

Metfan set it off with Post #2 on this thread..... without that one, I am sorry to say kid, but your thread would have been a "1 post wonder"

lol

LOL Yeah I was more or less looking for the anti government / anti stupid spending rants,

i def think he knew abotu it or was told, but prob not the altitude , nor should he know or care, cause id really be pissed if he did, cause I think he's got bigger fish to fry...... I think his fake "furious" rage is just bullshit and comical, but its expected no matter what moron is in office,

[sadelb]

So you guys are blaming Obama for this when the facts clearly show he knew nothing about it. lol. As Defekted said, show us the links.

[joeylima]

I think the incident itself isnt a blip on the radar, in fact i think its very serious.... cause all those people that evactuated the buildings could have gotten hurt, god forbid someone had a heart attack or got trampled....

but to say the arrogant obama prick booked this photo op, well that needs to get backed or you run the risk of getting called out for a fool.

and if anyone would like to imagine what "i would say" if this was Bush, there is no need to imagine.... just take the time (few minutes) to use the search feature on NCC. I joined in 2005, meaning there are 3+ years of Bush blunders I called him out on. Point out where I laid blame on him for something he has no clue about......IN FACT, lol, I would argue i do the opposite..... i think he is SUCH a moron, that he doesnt DO ANYTHING and is just a figure piece, and its really cheney and co. that pulls all the strings.

oh no, its def serious...i didnt mean it that way.

im sure u called bush a liar at some point, i dont need to seacrh lol.

[joeylima]

So you guys are blaming Obama for this when the facts clearly show he knew nothing about it. lol. As Defekted said, show us the links.

what facts do you have? obamas word? do you know how ridiculous asking for a link is about an opinion?

how many times does it have to be said that this is opinion, not fact...wow.

[joeylima]

LOL Yeah I was more or less looking for the anti government / anti stupid spending rants,

i def think he knew abotu it or was told, but prob not the altitude , nor should he know or care, cause id really be pissed if he did, cause I think he's got bigger fish to fry...... I think his fake "furious" rage is just bullshit and comical, but its expected no matter what moron is in office,

well put

[Defekted]

what facts do you have? obamas word? do you know how ridiculous asking for a link is about an opinion?

how many times does it have to be said that this is opinion, not fact...wow.

Metfan wasnt stating an opinion but a fact on post 2, so all i asked for was a link so i can educate myself.....

After all this talk about how the "entire media world" is in the bag for Obama I've been thinking maybe its true, maybe there is some super hot of the presses exclusive that the blog world has that I wasnt aware of. I guess there isnt :(

So i'll just assume that Metfan is just continuing to be super paranoid about the obama administration, and his OPINION is that obama knew about this and its purpose was to scaring the public to "forever think 9/11 pt. 2 is around the corner" and it isnt fact.

man between his fears of government takeover of our free lives and Benny's of communism......I have been getting scared myself. My damn shadow has been getting bigger and bigger lately. Making me nervous.

[joeylima]

Metfan wasnt stating an opinion but a fact on post 2, so all i asked for was a link so i can educate myself.....

After all this talk about how the "entire media world" is in the bag for Obama I've been thinking maybe its true, maybe there is some super hot of the presses exclusive that the blog world has that I wasnt aware of. I guess there isnt :(

So i'll just assume that Metfan is just continuing to be super paranoid about the obama administration, and his OPINION is that obama knew about this and its purpose was to scaring the public to "forever think 9/11 pt. 2 is around the corner" and it isnt fact.

man between his fears of government takeover of our free lives and Benny's of communism......I have been getting scared myself. My damn shadow has been getting bigger and bigger lately. Making me nervous.



I wasn't refering to you...Sadel just makes dumb posts sometimes...my bad lol

[DINO nYc]

So you guys are blaming Obama for this when the facts clearly show he knew nothing about it. lol. As Defekted said, show us the links.

Stop hanging off his left nut you sheep. Doesn't matter if her knew or not, he still looks like an ass.

[digital kemical]

yall slow, dont you know thats how they spread the swine flu.

[FAST]

yall slow, dont you know thats how they spread the swine flu.

:lol:lol:lol


I picture you living in one of those houses like mel gibson in that movie, hit a button and the place goes up in flames and you escape thru your trap door

[DINO nYc]

:lol:lol:lol


I picture you living in one of those houses like mel gibson in that movie, hit a button and the place goes up in flames and you escape thru your trap door

Digital Kemicals casual attire...........

http://www.absurdintellectual.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/unabomber-fbi.gif

[FAST]

this is him at home

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/askville/5030904_10005928_mywrite/foil.jpg

[FAST]

cant forget his cat

http://www.rightwingnews.com/graphics/tinfoilcat.jpg

[digital kemical]

yall stupid for real, the WHO just raised the level to 5, but dont listen to me. Until everyone you love is dying off the shit, then you will say, oh maybe he was right. by then martial law will be in place you dumb ass mofo's

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/29/swine.flu/index.html

Dr. Margaret Chan, the U.N. agency's director-general, said the decision mean to raise the alert to 5 on its 6-point scale indicated that all countries should "immediately" activate pandemic preparedness plans.

"This change to a higher phase of alert is a signal to governments, to ministries of health and other ministries, to the pharm industry and the business community that certain actions now should be taken with increased urgency and at an accelerated pace," Chan said.

The annoucement came as the number of people infected with swine flu increased rapidly across the world, and health officials scrambled to get more information about the virus -- which has no vaccine.

[metfan85]

Metfan wasnt stating an opinion but a fact on post 2, so all i asked for was a link so i can educate myself.....

After all this talk about how the "entire media world" is in the bag for Obama I've been thinking maybe its true, maybe there is some super hot of the presses exclusive that the blog world has that I wasnt aware of. I guess there isnt :(

So i'll just assume that Metfan is just continuing to be super paranoid about the obama administration, and his OPINION is that obama knew about this and its purpose was to scaring the public to "forever think 9/11 pt. 2 is around the corner" and it isnt fact.

man between his fears of government takeover of our free lives and Benny's of communism......I have been getting scared myself. My damn shadow has been getting bigger and bigger lately. Making me nervous.

I am of the opinion that the arrogant crook in the White House, showing off all his hubris, thought it would be a nice stunt to pull. Why not show off the power of the federal government, while scaring the crap out of the people in NYC so they could forever be fighting the formerly called "war on terror."

Now before you call me a paranoid right winger again, you had better remember some of your paranoid anti-Bush rants. As I much as I hate him, I have to say if he sneezed, you thought it was a secret directive to arrest anti-Bush war protesters.

Again, you are nowhere to be found on the cases of the federal wiretaps, the patriot act, et cetera, because you're a hypocrite. Nothing more, nothing less.

[metfan85]

rather than your pathetic rant, please provide a link bitch, there might be an exlcusive that southern avenger has that the liberal fixed media didnt get yet. Hook it up.

pathetic rant? ha, it's all true. It's hilarious how his action are more or less the same Bush/Cheney, but he can do no wrong.

before you go out calling names, why don't you take a look in the mirror? Or have you painted them over with icons in the likeness of the Blessed Obama?

you're all a bunch of unprincipled clowns.

[Defekted]

I am of the opinion that the arrogant crook in the White House, showing off all his hubris, thought it would be a nice stunt to pull. Why not show off the power of the federal government, while scaring the crap out of the people in NYC so they could forever be fighting the formerly called "war on terror."

Now before you call me a paranoid right winger again, you had better remember some of your paranoid anti-Bush rants. As I much as I hate him, I have to say if he sneezed, you thought it was a secret directive to arrest anti-Bush war protesters.

Again, you are nowhere to be found on the cases of the federal wiretaps, the patriot act, et cetera, because you're a hypocrite. Nothing more, nothing less.

Like I said, Im all about evidence..... there is NO NEED to "imagine" what I would do with BUSH.... its called a fucking search button... put in some work and show me how I accused bush of doing something he had no clue about, like your paranoid ass is doing with Obama "pulling this stunt to show the POWER of the US gov" lol, jesus, DINO NYC had the picture on the money on this thread, just the wrong poster.

Furthermore, like I said, SHOW THE CLASS where I all of a sudden changed position on wiretapping???? I am against it from start to finish, i was against it when he voted for it during his last year as senator, i was against it when it orginially came out to the public as a Bush and Co. abuse of civil liberties, and I AM STILL AGAINST IT...... please provide a link of where i changed my position, but then again you have a great track record of coming here, opening your mouth spewing nonesense, and then disappearing when its time to face the music..... from this point on, you back up your words and accusations or be dismissed as a fringe tim mcveigh/unibomber wannabe. (btw, you need to be a man and step up, take your rifle and be the change you want for this country rather than going on NCC with anti government nonesense, TAKE ACTION DUDE....posting wont help this country, starting that damn militia already and take it to the man WILL)

[TrippinFace101]

-300,000 For Fast making this thread
-300,000 For obama supports for being double standard
-300,000 For forgettin how to spell obama twice

[ShaE]

when Obama administration waste money, its Ok...its all part of CHANGE,

:wallbang:wallbang:wallbang:wallbang:wallbang:wall bang:wallbang:wallbang :shootme
i dont see one post yet that says anybody supports the expenditure of money on this.

they're talking about entirely different issues.

[ShaE]

Well in my case, i just think hes lying...im not saying i have documents proving he knew lol.

If thsi was bush, you all would say hes lying, so whats wrong with me saying it?

The bigger issue to me though, is if he didnt know, why didnt he know??? Seems like something that he should be informed about, no? He need to re-evaluate some the people around him imo.
but both men aren't equal & you don't have the same grounds to call him one as somebody would have to call bush one.

and there's nothing" wrong" with it

[ShaE]

I agree, there are definitely double standards when dealing with Bush screw ups and Obama screw ups.
examples:
a smart, responsible friend of urs screws up and lets you down, does something really retarded, do you react to him the same way for that fuckup as you do the OTHER friend you have that's always messing up, causing you probs, and getting in your business?

of course not. is that a double standard? no. it's taking into consideration the PERSON, giving benefit of the doubt, cutting slack, etc. always consider the source.

[DINO nYc]

examples:
a smart, responsible friend of urs screws up and lets you down, does something really retarded, do you react to him the same way for that fuckup as you do the OTHER friend you have that's always messing up, causing you probs, and getting in your business?

of course not. is that a double standard? no. it's taking into consideration the PERSON, giving benefit of the doubt, cutting slack, etc. always consider the source.

What on Earth are you speaking about? The double standards I was referring to was that between Bush and Obama screw-ups and how the Dems on this board run to defend Obama when both he and his staff clearly screwed up.

As far as your above comment, we're not talking about friendship here, we're talking about an elected Gov't offcial and his bonehead staff member. Your attempt to validate what happened by comparing the two is just absurd.

[ShaE]

What on Earth are you speaking about? The double standards I was referring to was that between Bush and Obama screw-ups and how the Dems on this board run to defend Obama when both he and his staff clearly screwed up.

As far as your above comment, we're not talking about friendship here, we're talking about an elected Gov't offcial and his bonehead staff member. Your attempt to validate what happened by comparing the two is just absurd.
I wasn't comparing politicians to your friends. I was using the friend comparison as a METAPHOR for my point.

I know what you were referring to.

I was using a metaphor for why responding differently to one person's screwup than another's doesn't mean you have a "double standard", it means you consider the source, the person, that did it before you react.

Who's "validating" what happened? I'm not even addressing the event here. You completely misunderstood what I was trying to say.

[ShaE]

Honestly, a politician in office who has fucked up for close to two terms is NOT going to get the same response from me when he screws up as a politician who's been in office 100 days and has a COMPLETELY different character about him.

One comes off as an idiot, one comes off as a well educated (at the very least) pragmatist.

And you're telling me it's a double standard to have shit on bush for screwups and to not do exactly the same to obama?

[joeylima]

but both men aren't equal & you don't have the same grounds to call him one as somebody would have to call bush one.
and there's nothing" wrong" with it

totally disagree

[ShaE]

totally disagree
you think you have enough material in 100 days as i have 8 yrs? lol
you can assess him as thoroughly as one could asses a two term president?

[ShaE]

The fact remains, they occupy the same job, they shared the same responsibilities, but they are nowhere near the same person, and my expectations for them are definitely not equal as a result.

bush represents idiots to me, and obama represents overachievers, do you really expect to react to mistakes from both the same way?

[joeylima]

you think you have enough material in 100 days as i have 8 yrs? lol
you can assess him as thoroughly as one could asses a two term president?

material for what???

when i think someone is lying, i think somen is lying, i dont need material lol.

i dont need to assess, hes lied before and my personal opinion is he is lying again.

[ShaE]

material for what???

when i think someone is lying, i think somen is lying, i dont need material lol.

i dont need to assess, hes lied before and my personal opinion is he is lying again.
for your conclusion as to his honesty/dishonesty.

you don't need material? so what do you base your judgment on?

everybody on this earth "has lied before", that does not give you grounds to say "lied once, you'll lie again, you're lying right now"

lol

[ShaE]

I mean if you habitually withhold information,manipulate facts,distort truth or outright lie, throughout years of a presidency, while showing me you're of a poor, illogical, arrogant character, I might feel i have sufficient "material" to say, I think you're full of shit.

that's what i mean by material, basing it on something other than a hunch.
i hated bush from the get go, not b/c i thought he was a liar, b/c i thought he was a fkin moron. He turned out to be that, and then some.

[joeylima]

for your conclusion as to his honesty/dishonesty.

you don't need material? so what do you base your judgment on?

everybody on this earth "has lied before", that does not give you grounds to say "lied once, you'll lie again, you're lying right now"

lol


are you wacked? lol

who are you to say what gives me grounds to have my OWN opinions???

this is the first time i said he was full of sh*t since his pastor fiasco (which yes, he was full of it...naive much? lol)...you act like im calling him a liar everyday on this board.

do i think it is total BS that he didnt know this photo op was taking place? yes...im pretty sure he had to have been kept in the loop lol

[ShaE]

are you wacked? lol

who are you to say what gives me grounds to have my OWN opinions???

this is the first time i said he was full of sh*t since his pastor fiasco (which yes, he was full of it...naive much? lol)...you act like im calling him a liar everyday on this board.

do i think it is total BS that he didnt know this photo op was taking place? yes...im pretty sure he had to have been kept in the loop lol
oh for god's sake, i asked you do you REALLY THINK you have as much evidence to support your claim as I have considering the man I'm referring to served 8 years, and you're 100 days into this administration?

i'm not acting like anything, i thought my statement was pretty timid actually. and i said you can call whomever you want a liar, nothing "wrong" with it, I just wanted to know what you were basing it on.

it's completely natural to ask somebody what led them to their opinion, stop being so indignant lol

[ShaE]

So anybody that doesn't agree he's full of shit, is naive?

that's like saying "anybody that doesn't share my point of view is uneducated", you leave no room for difference?

[metfan85]

are you wacked? lol

who are you to say what gives me grounds to have my OWN opinions???

this is the first time i said he was full of sh*t since his pastor fiasco (which yes, he was full of it...naive much? lol)...you act like im calling him a liar everyday on this board.

do i think it is total BS that he didnt know this photo op was taking place? yes...im pretty sure he had to have been kept in the loop lol

I think you're 100% correct.

"Always believe the opposite of what state officials tell you, and the corollary, always do the opposite of what they advise you."

-Rockwell's law (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/024313.html)

[joeylima]

So anybody that doesn't agree he's full of shit, is naive?

that's like saying "anybody that doesn't share my point of view is uneducated", you leave no room for difference?

no, i dont think anyone who disagrees with me on this is naive....once again, you are putting words in my mouth for the sake of arguing...please show me where i said anyone who doesnt agree is naive....my naive comment was about the rev wright fiasco and yes, on that point, i think its naive to eblieve obama didnt know what the guy was all about.

anb by the way, you have come close to pretty much stating the above line in bold when it comes to southerners and midwesterners...especially bush supporters in those regions....just sayin...

[ShaE]

no, i dont think anyone who disagrees with me on this is naive....once again, you are putting words in my mouth for the sake of arguing...please show me where i said anyone who doesnt agree is naive....my naive comment was about the rev wright fiasco and yes, on that point, i think its naive to eblieve obama didnt know what the guy was all about.

anb by the way, you have come close to pretty much stating the above line in bold when it comes to southerners and midwesterners...especially bush supporters in those regions....just sayin...
it was a QUESTION lol, you're not putting words in somebody's mouth if you phrase it as a question, asking if that is indeed, what they are saying.

it's not, question answered, thank you :)