Group wants Notre Dame stripped of its Catholic identity

[ShaE]

a little over the top much? the vagina monologues? be serious.


http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/05/06/obama-doesnt-make-notre-dame-less-catholic/



Obama Doesn’t Make Notre Dame Less Catholic

In the seven weeks since Notre Dame announced
President Barack Obama as its
2009 Commencement speaker, the campus
has seen prayer gatherings, academic debates,
banner-flying planes and bloodied
baby dolls in strollers.

Now, with a week and a half to go until
Obama lands in South Bend to address the
graduating class, another group has arrived
in town to demand Notre Dame be stripped
of its Catholic identity.It’s really been quite
the month and a half. I spent the entire day
stuck in the library studying for exams, but
luckily the South Bend Tribune was on the
scene Tuesday to capture the American Life
League’s news conference.

The American Life League is a grassroots
Catholic pro-life organization based in Virginia.
They gathered at the entrance to
Notre Dame to protest the Obama invitation
and intent to award the president with
an honorary law degree.
A press release on the American Life
League’s Web site said Notre Dame was
“placing the souls of millions in jeopardy”
with its decision.

“The school has no right to sell itself as
Catholic to donors and potential students
while simultaneously working to undermine
the Church and honor the most proabortion
president in the nation’s history.

In the interest of truth, we’re asking Bishop
D’Arcy to remove the school from the Official
Catholic Directory,” said Mike Barnett,
the leadership director at American Life
League, according to the news release.
The Official Catholic Directory contains information
on the Church’s hierarchy, institutions,
schools, dioceses and other related
offices.

The Tribune did not get a comment Tuesday
from D’Arcy, the bishop who oversees
the South Bend and Fort Wayne, Indiana
dioceses. But a spokesperson told the Tribune
he did not know if the Bishop had the
power to remove Notre Dame’s Catholic
status, nor if the Bishop would if he could,
saying the Bishop “prefers to work with
people to improve things.”

American Life League’s problem with
Notre Dame started long before the university
invited Obama to come to campus, according
to the organization’s news release.
They said Notre Dame has “actively undermined
Catholic teaching” since the early
1960s. The Obama invite is just the straw
that broke the camel’s back.
The League’s numerous problems with
Notre Dame, according to the Tribune report,
include other campus speakers over
the years like Walter Mondale, Mario Cuomo
and Daniel Patrick Moynihan. They
also condemned Notre Dame’s allowance of
student performances of the play “The
Vagina Monologues” and the presence of
the Queer Film Festival. And they don’t like
the fact that students have been trying to
convince administrators for several years
that the university needs to add sexual orientation
to its non-discrimination clause
(which it has not, so that one should be a
check in the League’s column of reasons
why Notre Dame is Catholic.)

For decades, the American Life League has
pursued the laudable goal of ending abortion,
and the group has every right to
protest Obama speaking at Notre Dame.
Calling on a bishop to remove the Catholic
status of Notre Dame — a school where
every year, on average, 200 graduates
spend time after graduation doing service,
where dorm masses are as popular as dorm
dances, where the Grotto is nearly always
lit with candles, where students spend their
spring breaks volunteering — that’s insulting
to me and to all the people who come to
Notre Dame, not only to learn but to develop
and live out their faith. That’s something
that doesn’t change with the choice of a
Commencement speaker.

The American Life League and other
groups who don’t want Obama to speak
here should keep protesting, as it is certainly
their right and they have valid points, but
don’t tell us we’re not being Catholic
enough.





We’ve heard it before and I’m sure we’ll
hear it again. But that statue of Mary on top
of the Dome isn’t coming down anytime
soon, and long after Obama has spoken,
Notre Dame will still continue to be “a powerful
force for good.”

[.laurenx.]

placing millions of souls in jeopardy LMFAO.

does the american life league protest and cause an uproar for the removal of priests who have sexually abused children??????or does that stuff get swept under the rug

[ShaE]

i can't get over the fact that showing performances of the vagina monologues makes you a bad catholic institution lol

[woo]

it's really about them pushing the garbage that obama isn't Christian.... and it's pro choice not pro abortion. but then if tey put pro choice their phony argument won't hold as much water vapor. why don't they just outright say it?
beating around the vagina bush are they?

[jameznyhc]

it's really about them pushing the garbage that obama isn't Christian.... and it's pro choice not pro abortion. but then if tey put pro choice their phony argument won't hold as much water vapor. why don't they just outright say it?
beating around the vagina bush are they?

it comes down to they believe life begins at conception and to murder that life is immoral .. thats a totally logical opinion for one to have .. But it should be left up to the voters who do agree a woman should have the choice to abort/kill her fetus .. its funny cause in science a micor organism is considered a life ..bacteria is as well .. yet a fetus isnt? .. mindboggling

[jameznyhc]

i can't get over the fact that showing performances of the vagina monologues makes you a bad catholic institution lol

not only catholicism ..but islam, hindu, judaism etc ..what in the vagina monlogues are consistant with catholic teachings? .. ive never read them nor do i have an interest .. im asking cause i really dont know enlighten us..

[woo]

it comes down to they believe life begins at conception and to murder that life is immoral .. thats a totally logical opinion for one to have .. But it should be left up to the voters who do agree a woman should have the choice to abort/kill her fetus .. its funny cause in science a micor organism is considered a life ..bacteria is as well .. yet a fetus isnt? .. mindboggling

pro choice is the term for it. pro abortion is a provocative term which is also an insult to what freedom of choice stands for in america.
its not based on logic its based on judging. call it a choice she has if she wants the choice, not a murderer just bc she wants the choice.
since the rest is so debatable, it is left to the mother as a decision.

u str8 up call someone a pro abortion but it not an appropriate term. it defines nothing bc no1 is for abortion... pro choice. big diff...

would you be able to shit on obama as much if u called him pro choice? it hink not. thats y u need the add-ins to make him look bad.

[jameznyhc]

pro choice is the term for it. pro abortion is a provocative term which is also an insult to what freedom of choice stands for in america.
its not based on logic its based on judging. call it a choice she has if she wants the choice, not a murderer just bc she wants the choice.
since the rest is so debatable, it is left to the mother as a decision.

u str8 up call someone a pro abortion but it not an appropriate term. it defines nothing bc no1 is for abortion... pro choice. big diff...

would you be able to shit on obama as much if u called him pro choice? it hink not. thats y u need the add-ins to make him look bad.

never heard the term pro abortion used much .. but why wouldnt pro choice be applied also to child birth vs abortion ..wouldnt the mother be choosing life? thats a choice .. as in aborting/killing a fetus a choice ..both are choices .. pro life and pro abortion makes more sense ..but pro choice is obviously more humane sounding .. again joyce im not against a womans choice to kill her fetus or is she wants to choose child birth .. but both are choices

[woo]

never heard the term pro abortion used much .. but why wouldnt pro choice be applied also to child birth vs abortion ..wouldnt the mother be choosing life? thats a choice .. as in aborting/killing a fetus a choice ..both are choices .. pro life and pro abortion makes more sense ..but pro choice is obviously more humane sounding .. again joyce im not against a womans choice to kill her fetus or is she wants to choose child birth .. but both are choices

its being used in the article.

[jameznyhc]

its being used in the article.

well take it up with newsweek .. but again you can be pro choice in any decision..why only apply that term when speaking in terms of choosing to abort? ..secondly who cares unless your a practicing Catholic what the position is on notre dame ..

[jameznyhc]

This makes perfect sense and for anybody who is not a practicing Catholic why would you even remotley care???

“The school has no right to sell itself as
Catholic to donors and potential students
while simultaneously working to undermine
the Church and honor the most proabortion
president in the nation’s history.

In the interest of truth, we’re asking Bishop
D’Arcy to remove the school from the Official
Catholic Directory,” said Mike Barnett,
the leadership director at American Life
League, according to the news release.
The Official Catholic Directory contains information
on the Church’s hierarchy, institutions,
schools, dioceses and other related
offices.

[woo]

well take it up with newsweek .. but again you can be pro choice in any decision..why only apply that term when speaking in terms of choosing to abort? ..secondly who cares unless your a practicing Catholic what the position is on notre dame ..

im taking it up with the group that is using the term pro abortion to describe obama's stance on it. it's my position too. it's insulting, inaccurate, and a tactic to devalue.

[jameznyhc]

im taking it up with the group that is using the term pro abortion to describe obama's stance on it. it's my position too. it's insulting, inaccurate, and a tactic to devalue.

so is pro-choice a word to whitewash the choice of murdering a fetus? ..lol pro choice could be applied to when you choose to go to sleep at night or the gym in the morning ..pro-abortion makes much more sense

[ShaE]

it's really about them pushing the garbage that obama isn't Christian.... and it's pro choice not pro abortion. but then if tey put pro choice their phony argument won't hold as much water vapor. why don't they just outright say it?
beating around the vagina bush are they?
or people that can't understand being pro choice doesn't mean you're pro abortion. unreal. simplemindedness at its worst.

[ShaE]

it comes down to they believe life begins at conception and to murder that life is immoral .. thats a totally logical opinion for one to have .. But it should be left up to the voters who do agree a woman should have the choice to abort/kill her fetus .. its funny cause in science a micor organism is considered a life ..bacteria is as well .. yet a fetus isnt? .. mindboggling
who says a fetus is not alive? and you can't be "a life" jamez

[jameznyhc]

or people that can't understand being pro choice doesn't mean you're pro abortion. unreal. simplemindedness at its worst.

it means your believe the woman has a right to an abortion ..making one pro-abortion .. pro choice is so vague .. its absolutly used to whitewash the term pro-abortion..

[ShaE]

not only catholicism ..but islam, hindu, judaism etc ..what in the vagina monlogues are consistant with catholic teachings? .. ive never read them nor do i have an interest .. im asking cause i really dont know enlighten us..
why must they be consistent w/ their teachings? how about they're just not OFFENSIVE or contradictory to their teachings?

think about it, plenty of movies are not "consistent w/ catholic teachings" but do they reject them or say good catholics can't see them? is there public catholic outcry over every scene of permarital sex, or divorce?
no. this performance doesn't have to be catholic related to take place on campus, it has nothing to do w/ bashing religion. it's about women and femininity.

i've seen it, it's harmless.

[jameznyhc]

who says a fetus is not alive? and you can't be "a life" jamez

i have no idea what your saying

[ShaE]

i have no idea what your saying
you can't be a "life", you're either alive or you aren't, and nobody has disputed that a fetus is alive.

[ShaE]

it means your believe the woman has a right to an abortion ..making one pro-abortion .. pro choice is so vague .. its absolutly used to whitewash the term pro-abortion..
nope, believing a woman has a right to an abortion means you're pro choice, not pro abortion.

it somehow escapes you, every single time, that there are men and women in this country that are FOR a woman's right to choose, but personally believe abortion to be WRONG, and would never have one, or have their spouse have one.

that mean's they are PRO CHOICE, but anti abortion. against the practice, but don't believe the gov't has a right to BAR women from having them.

can you conceptualize that? lol

[jameznyhc]

why must they be consistent w/ their teachings? how about they're just not OFFENSIVE or contradictory to their teachings?

think about it, plenty of movies are not "consistent w/ catholic teachings" but do they reject them or say good catholics can't see them? is there public catholic outcry over every scene of permarital sex, or divorce?
no. this performance doesn't have to be catholic related to take place on campus, it has nothing to do w/ bashing religion. it's about women and femininity.

i've seen it, it's harmless.

but why would you care then if notre dame was stripped of posing as catholicism .. or any religous institition ..notre dame is private not public ..besides the church is addressing (on the movie issue) their followers .. not you so why do you care what they teach or say to people who choose to follow catholic teaching as long as its not illegal or harnmful to others? ... Id defend a madrassa to uphold the korans teachings even though i feel they somewhat dangerous .. but its their business it a private institution i have no business telling an american madrassa, catholic, judeo orthadox, greek orthodox what they tell their practicing followers ... public schools totally different story

[ShaE]

im taking it up with the group that is using the term pro abortion to describe obama's stance on it. it's my position too. it's insulting, inaccurate, and a tactic to devalue.
so obvious it's painful lol

[ShaE]

but why would you care then if notre dame was stripped of posing as catholicism .. or any religous institition ..notre dame is private not public ..besides the church is addressing (on the movie issue) their followers .. not you so why do you care what they teach or say to people who choose to follow catholic teaching as long as its not illegal or harnmful to others? ... Id defend a madrassa to uphold the korans teachings even though i feel they somewhat dangerous .. but its their business it a private institution i have no business telling an american madrassa, catholic, judeo orthadox, greek orthodox what they tell their practicing followers ... public schools totally different story
who said i would care?

i just think it's silly they're bent out of shape over the vagina monologues and the president speaking at commencement.

[jameznyhc]

nope, believing a woman has a right to an abortion means you're pro choice, not pro abortion.

it somehow escapes you, every single time, that there are men and women in this country that are FOR a woman's right to choose, but personally believe abortion to be WRONG, and would never have one, or have their spouse have one.

that mean's they are PRO CHOICE, but anti abortion. against the practice, but don't believe the gov't has a right to BAR women from having them.

can you conceptualize that? lol

yes because I believe its a womans right to kill her fetus if she wants to i cant stop her, the law never was able too, ..but personally i feel its disgusting and immoral .. my opinion on legality is not based on religion its based on states rights and democratic process .. i also believe in decriminalization of narcotics , gambling, and prostitution yet nobodys applies the term pro choice to those issues most think im nuts or radical for that .. i just believe all adults are resposible enough to make decisions for themselves ..

[jameznyhc]

who said i would care?

i just think it's silly they're bent out of shape over the vagina monologues and the president speaking at commencement.

i dont think its silly i think they have a legit argument ..since its a catholic institution ..stop being so judgemental of other open that mind shae . . we are all not the same .. i respect your atheism nor do i ever bash you for it or call you silly about it

[ShaE]

i dont think its silly i think they have a legit argument ..since its a catholic institution ..stop being so judgemental of other open that mind shae . . we are all not the same .. i respect your atheism nor do i ever bash you for it or call you silly about it
ok so i think it's silly, you don't, so what?

we don't have to be the same, we don't have to agree. so be it.

[jameznyhc]

ok so i think it's silly, you don't, so what?

we don't have to be the same, we don't have to agree. so be it.

very true

[woo]

or people that can't understand being pro choice doesn't mean you're pro abortion. unreal. simplemindedness at its worst.

when it comes down to it there are many pple who chose life who are pro choice. it doesn't matter what one personally practices, the point is not to force someone else to make the same decision. if it means anything i was about to get an abortion once (not dwelling and don't care to) but then decided not to at the day of the surgery. i miscarried 4 months deep. end of that story.


thing is i can't force another pregnant woman to choose a certain way. if she will choose not to have it, which is a decision based on a very overwhelming fear, she will get it and this is how:



even if u delegalize it, that would only create a black market for it. and the reason why it gained so much attention was bc "back in the day" those wire hangers u get at the dry cleaners used to be a common surgical tool when there was less plastic. long time ago. women were sterilized for it, died, infected, etc. so when she wants it done it will get done... revert to the fear. she will wrap a belt on her gut until it miscarries ... it's all documented. these practices are out of american conscience bc it is legal for doctors to perform the surgery. it would be clearly safer for society if you don't take the right away from the doctors, bc in essence that is all that will be done.

pro life is too ideal. it involves human reform and that is not the business of politics.

[woo]

yes because I believe its a womans right to kill her fetus if she wants to i cant stop her, the law never was able too, ..but personally i feel its disgusting and immoral .. my opinion on legality is not based on religion its based on states rights and democratic process .. i also believe in decriminalization of narcotics , gambling, and prostitution yet nobodys applies the term pro choice to those issues most think im nuts or radical for that .. i just believe all adults are resposible enough to make decisions for themselves ..

u r pro choice.

[jameznyhc]

u r pro choice.

in every aspect of life .. what is a choice? ..the term too general ..

[woo]

in every aspect of life .. what is a choice? ..the term too general ..

in terms of abortion rights

[ShaE]

It's not that hard to understand, on the issue of a woman's right to choose you are either pro choice or you're pro life.

pro choice believes women have the right to choose.
pro lifers believe women DO NOT have the right to choose and abortion should be outlawed

the terms refer ONLY to the issue of A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE, not one's feelings on abortion itself, b/c they are not one in the same.

anybody who feels a woman, legally, has the right to CHOOSE, is PRO CHOICE. they may personally be against abortion, fine, but so long as they believe a woman should be able to decide FOR HERSELF, they are pro choice. how can the term get any clearer?

[jameznyhc]

in terms of abortion rights

im against roe v wade as a federal law cause it could be overturned by a conservative court one day and all women will loose the right ..[ro abortion people would be better off not having this comprimised sometimes what you wish for can bite you in the ass

[jameznyhc]

It's not that hard to understand, on the issue of a woman's right to choose you are either pro choice or you're pro life.

pro choice believes women have the right to choose.
pro lifers believe women DO NOT have the right to choose and abortion should be outlawed

the terms refer ONLY to the issue of A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE, not one's feelings on abortion itself, b/c they are not one in the same.

anybody who feels a woman, legally, has the right to CHOOSE, is PRO CHOICE. they may personally be against abortion, fine, but so long as they believe a woman should be able to decide FOR HERSELF, they are pro choice. how can the term get any clearer?

thats not true im pro life but believe my choice should not be forced onto others ..im still pro life none the less ..then again maybe im not cause i do favor capital punishmnet in cases of rapes,pedophilia, and murder and CONCRETE evidence is supplied not circumstancial

[jameznyhc]

in terms of abortion rights

so let call it pro abortions RIGHTS..as oppose to pro abortion ..but there are some sickos who are pro abortion ..not all but some

[jameznyhc]

u r pro choice.

so then why are people like sarah palin called staunchly pro-life when her state has some of the most libreral abortion laws? .. she respects the constitution and puts that first over her personal beliefs correct??..ive made that argument a million times

[metfan85]

i dont think its silly i think they have a legit argument ..since its a catholic institution ..stop being so judgemental of other open that mind shae . . we are all not the same .. i respect your atheism nor do i ever bash you for it or call you silly about it

gotta love how a bunch of non-believing or lapsed Catholics always have to say what's best for an institution they want no part of.

[ShaE]

gotta love how a bunch of non-believing or lapsed Catholics always have to say what's best for an institution they want no part of.
gotta love how somebody can't read and gets their panties in a bunch over anything to do w/ religion :)

where did i say anything about "what's best" for notre dame?

[ShaE]

i guess we can only have opinions on things that we participate in, or on groups we are active in?

great idea :)

[jameznyhc]

gotta love how somebody can't read and gets their panties in a bunch over anything to do w/ religion :)

where did i say anything about "what's best" for notre dame?

but he didnt lol .. totally legit and logical point he made .. secondly he quoted my post how do you know he was adressing you? .. id guess he was addressing both you and the non practicng lapsed catholics at notre dame ..when he quoted my post

[ShaE]

but he didnt lol .. totally legit and logical point he made .. secondly he quoted my post how do you know he was adressing you? .. id guess he was addressing both you and the non practicng lapsed catholics at notre dame ..when he quoted my post
did you read?

do you really think students at notre dame fall into this category?

gotta love how a bunch of non-believing or lapsed Catholics always have to say what's best for an institution they want no part of.

[ShaE]

i took alex's meaning to be, people who want no part of the catholic church, yet are making judgments about what they do within it, or views they have.

i wasn't trying to say what's best for notre dame, or the catholic church, just commenting on why on earth the vagina monologues are cause for uproar, or the president making an address on campus.

[ShaE]

and secondly, i didn't think he was addressing me directly in his post, but I happen to fall into that category, and i wanted to comment.

i don't have to be spoken to first, before I speak.

[jameznyhc]

and secondly, i didn't think he was addressing me directly in his post, but I happen to fall into that category, and i wanted to comment.
i don't have to be spoken to first, before I speak.

gotcha .. i misread .. but seriously why would you give a rats ass? lol

[jameznyhc]

did you read?

do you really think students at notre dame fall into this category?

gotta love how a bunch of non-believing or lapsed Catholics always have to say what's best for an institution they want no part of.

lapsed catholics? no doubt ..

[Defekted]

beautiful and touching speech...... just finished.