CIA denies Cheney request on interrogations

[joeylima]

No surprises here lol. You can't cherry pick want you release and what you don't...


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The CIA has rejected former Vice President Dick Cheney's request to declassify records of abusive interrogations of suspected terrorists, a spokesman for the spy agency said Thursday.


Former Vice President Dick Cheney sought the declassification of documents on terrorist suspects.

In a written statement, CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano said the two documents Cheney requested are the subject of two pending lawsuits seeking the release of documents related to the interrogation program and cannot be declassified.

"This request was handled in accordance with normal practice by CIA professionals with long experience in information management and release. It was for them a straightforward issue," he said.

The former vice president will appeal the ruling, an aide said.

Cheney has said he wants the documents released so there can be a more "honest debate" on the Bush administration's approval of "alternative" interrogation techniques against suspected terrorists. He argued that those techniques provided valuable intelligence that saved American lives, but critics say they amounted to the illegal torture of prisoners in U.S. custody.

[jameznyhc]

cover up ... because the info obtained was legit ..and panetta knows it ..what a joke .. wonder if barry can sign an order demanding it be disclosed ..lol imagine that

[joeylima]

cover up ... because the info obtained was legit ..and panetta knows it ..what a joke .. wonder if barry can sign an order demanding it be disclosed ..lol imagine that

LOL...he could but he wont...he learned his lesson. So much for transparency lol

[woo]

they are open investigations why should they be made public? what good is our intelligence if it can't be kept secret during operation?

[jameznyhc]

they are open investigations why should they be made public? what good is our intelligence if it can't be kept secret during operation?

but he signed off on no more waterboarding ..he released the details about waterboarding ..but not the info we got ..why??? cause the info legit .. secondly this is all from 2004 or 2005..and if the info was that good that they are still pursuing it then ..Cheney is right on target .. its the only reason they wont release it .. it will make bush/cheney look good

[joeylima]

they are open investigations why should they be made public? what good is our intelligence if it can't be kept secret during operation?

I dont buy that BS excuse for a minute, but even if it were true its kind of irresponsible to declassify info without declassifying it in its entirety. They shouldve have waited to decalssify anything unti after these "lawsuits" were finished. Very irresponsible and certainly not transparent. They had ulterior motives for releasing only part of the info....thats pretty clear.

[jameznyhc]

I dont buy that BS excuse for a minute, but even if it were true its kind of irresponsible to declassify info without declassifying it in its entirety. They shouldve have waited to decalssify anything unti after these "lawsuits" were finished. Very irresponsible and certainly not transparent. They had ulterior motives for releasing only part of the info....thats pretty clear.

Cheneys pr tour fucked Barry up .. I can guarantee you they underestimated Cheney .. his pr tour this month blew all this shit up .. and not only does Bush come out looking good on this .. He now doin military tribunals!!! at gitmo none the less...oh and wait he no longer releasing the photos of abused prisoners . . along with the patriot act, domestic spy program, another war in afghanistan, troops in iraq his entire first term , .. I never saw a politician so deceptive as this guy ..he just blatantly flip flops/ lies like he never ever took a different position ..its really mind bnlowing ..

[joeylima]

Cheneys pr tour fucked Barry up .. I can guarantee you they underestimated Cheney .. his pr tour this month blew all this shit up .. and not only does Bush come out looking good on this .. He now doin military tribunals!!! at gitmo none the less...oh and wait he no longer releasing the photos of abused prisoners . . along with the patriot act, domestic spy program, another war in afghanistan, troops in iraq his entire first term , .. I never saw a politician so deceptive as this guy ..he just blatantly flip flops/ lies like he never ever took a different position ..its really mind bnlowing ..

Yeah he basically crumbled to Cheney....pretty hysterical actually. Now Pelosi is digger herself into a bigger hole and bringing Obama unwanted heat...I love how all of this is blowing up in his face now...he made a rookie mistake to try to expose Bush and got burned lol...love it

[jameznyhc]

Yeah he basically crumbled to Cheney....pretty hysterical actually. Now Pelosi is digger herself into a bigger hole and bringing Obama unwanted heat...I love how all of this is blowing up in his face now...he made a rookie mistake to try to expose Bush and got burned lol...love it

:lol:lol:lol


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Dont worry jamez, lol, cheney's PR blitz is only working against him...... what's the next big thing to break and is being currently inspected? Cheney authorizing waterboarding of an Iraqi soldier in order to get info on the (nonexistant) link between saddam and osama. wow oh wow, can you imagine a VP authorizing toture of a POW (not a terrorist detainee) NOT to keep America safe from a future attack but to get critical information to backfill the evidence gaps for the reason to go to war........ wowzers. Deep Deep Deep hole he finds himself in, and you know this is just the tip of the ice berg, sooooo much more shit is gonna come out....just wait for a truth commission....... the evil scientist is getting burned and burned bad. And to top it off, this makes cheney still be the Republican representative..... instead of Ron Paul on tv you got cheney.

[TrippinFace101]

What i dont get is they torture our soldiers and thats ok but if we do we look like assholes. And spare that we are better than that bullshit this is war fuck bein pc. The geneva convention was made for the loser

[jameznyhc]

Dont worry jamez, lol, cheney's PR blitz is only working against him...... what's the next big thing to break and is being currently inspected? Cheney authorizing waterboarding of an Iraqi soldier in order to get info on the (nonexistant) link between saddam and osama. wow oh wow, can you imagine a VP authorizing toture of a POW (not a terrorist detainee) NOT to keep America safe from a future attack but to get critical information to backfill the evidence gaps for the reason to go to war........ wowzers. Deep Deep Deep hole he finds himself in, and you know this is just the tip of the ice berg, sooooo much more shit is gonna come out....just wait for a truth commission....... the evil scientist is getting burned and burned bad. And to top it off, this makes cheney still be the Republican representative..... instead of Ron Paul on tv you got cheney.

nice spin .. cheney gets the last laugh .. and bush/cheney policy continues STRONGER than ever .. especially when it comes to the new surge in afghanistan see barry knows we wont critize him for collatiral damage ..cause we understand thats part of war ..Bush never got that support from the left that barry will get from the right .. instead bush has morons like barry screaming how it will bring more death and violence .. .. now that he doing it the left dont say shit... thats why bush-cheney policy is now stronger than before ..

[Gspot555]

this is the problem with the Republican party...why the fuck does Cheney have a PR blitz going on right now...bush/cheney destroyed this party and they continue as if they are still in charge...republican party should be embarrassed and should get control back of there party

[joeylima]

defekted...wheres the transparency in half of a story? do you agree it was irresponsible to leak half the info? is this total bs that they wont leak the rest? not transparent man.....grey at best

[jameznyhc]

this is the problem with the Republican party...why the fuck does Cheney have a PR blitz going on right now...bush/cheney destroyed this party and they continue as if they are still in charge...republican party should be embarrassed and should get control back of there party

Bro you do realize this was all Barry & Pelosi pursuing this bullshit they tried a witch hunt and got burned at the stake ..Yeah affable Dick Cheney yukkin it up with the press he had no choice but to call Obama out and he did . im glad he did too .. i would have done the same the same thing .. they didnt have to drag this up .. and im glad Cheney came out and said ok you wanna release info lets do it ..Now its Obama and Pelosi who look ridiculous ..gotta love it .. like i said bush/cheney anti terror policy stronger than ever right now thanks to Barry and his dumb ass rookie bullshit

[jameznyhc]

LOL the looney left witch hunt ends with the demise of Pelosi? ... in her insane zeal to please the looneys she accussed the CIA of lying ..BAD MOVE .. poke a bear long enough and...

Speaker's Comments Raise Detainee Debate to New Level


By Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 15, 2009

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's extraordinary accusation that the Bush administration lied to Congress about the use of harsh interrogation techniques dramatically raised the stakes in the growing debate over the Bush administration's anti-terrorism policies even as it raised some questions about the speaker's credibility.


Pelosi's performance in the Capitol was either a calculated escalation of a long-running feud with the Bush administration or a reckless act by a politician whose word had been called into question. Perhaps it was both.

For the first time, Pelosi (D-Calif.) acknowledged that in 2003 she was informed by an aide that the CIA had told others in Congress that officials had used waterboarding during interrogations. But she insisted, contrary to CIA accounts, that she was not told about waterboarding during a September 2002 briefing by agency officials. Asked whether she was accusing the CIA of lying, she replied, "Yes, misleading the Congress of the United States."


Washington now is engaged in a battle royal of finger-pointing, second-guessing and self-defense, all over techniques President Obama banned in the first days of his administration. Both sides in this debate believe they have something to prove -- and gain -- by keeping the fight alive.

Both sides have champions and villains. Pelosi has become a lightning rod for criticism from conservatives, and a hero to the left, much as former vice president Richard B. Cheney has become a target of the left and the darling of many on the right.

The speaker's charges about the CIA's alleged deception and her shifting accounts of what she knew and when she knew it are likely to add to calls for some kind of independent body to investigate this supercharged issue, though Obama and many members of Congress would like to avoid a wholesale unearthing of the past at a time when their plates are full with pressing concerns.

Closing the books on the George W. Bush years has proven harder than anyone imagined -- certainly harder than Obama hoped. The intensifying argument over what the CIA told Pelosi and when comes on top of the debate over whether any Bush administration officials should face legal action for their roles in authorizing or implementing the interrogation policies and whether a national commission is needed to get to the truth.

The speaker's discomfort was evident yesterday as she was grilled by reporters for the first time since the CIA issued information suggesting that she and others were told about the use of the techniques, including waterboarding, at a classified briefing on Sept. 4, 2002. Pelosi was then the ranking Democrat on the House intelligence committee.

The CIA said the briefing included Pelosi and then-Rep. Porter J. Goss (Fla.), who was the committee chairman at the time and who later became CIA director. Two House aides also attended. The CIA's account said the subject was enhanced interrogation techniques and the particular methods used on Zayn al-Abidin Muhammed Hussein, better known by the nom de guerre Abu Zubaida.

Five months later, on Feb. 5, 2003, after Pelosi had left the intelligence committee, the CIA briefed the panel's chairman and ranking minority-party member on the detainee interrogation program. Pelosi said her aide Michael Sheehy, who attended that briefing as well as the September briefing, told her that agency officials said they had used waterboarding in some cases. "He said that the committee chair and ranking member and appropriate staff had been briefed that these techniques were now being used," she said yesterday. "That's all I was informed."

Conservatives say that, if Pelosi was so opposed to torture, she should have spoken out forcefully when she learned that these techniques were being employed. Her failure to do so then leaves her in a weakened position to protest now, they argue. An op-ed article by senior Bush White House adviser Karl Rove in yesterday's Wall Street Journal asked directly: "So is the speaker of the House lying about what she knew and when? And, if so, what will Democrats do about it?"

Pelosi gave some ground on the question of whether she had been informed that waterboarding was being used -- though by her account she did not learn about it until February 2003, rather than in 2002, and then only from her aide. Instead of registering her protest to the administration, she said, she set out to help Democrats win control of Congress and elect a Democrat as president.

www.politico.com

[jameznyhc]

the sinking ship

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defekted...wheres the transparency in half of a story? do you agree it was irresponsible to leak half the info? is this total bs that they wont leak the rest? not transparent man.....grey at best

They released, not leaked, the torture memos because that showed how policy was being formed by our government, and it was because the ACLU would have won the case for them to be released anyway. What cheney wants, and dont get it twisted, he is only asking for a couple documents and a couple pages from those documents (presumably because a small cut of anything might look huge but in context might mean little). So in fact, EVERYTHING, would need to be released to get an idea of the whole picture, and i am SURE that there are tons to make cheney and co. look very very bad. The CIA considers these documents to be private, i dont know there reasoning..... Im am begging for a truth commission, a bi partisan one, like the 9/11 commission, with statesmen not partisan, and lets see what happens...... the truth shall set you free.... and it will come out, it always comes out. Its the Holder's call to hold these people accountable, and it may not happen (judging from obama's posturing, it doesnt seem they have the stomach for it which would be unfortunate since no one is above the law)..... but at the very least, their name and legacy will be forever in the mud..... might be good enough punishment.

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the sinking ship

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krauthammer on FOX? lol...... the most discredited idiot means little. You think the CIA back then has credibility?????? hello mcfly? does yello cake from Niger mean anything to you? lol..... does slam dunk mean anything to you??? lol ....... Pelosi hasnt done a good job in explaining it, but best believe the CIA is VERY capable of framing arguements to the agenda of the day. Prime examples of that above.

[Defekted]

nice spin .. ..

??? no comment on these new charges???? hmmmm, if i were you id pass that fastball up too. lol..... just go back to the dugout and take a seat.

[joeylima]

They released, not leaked, the torture memos because that showed how policy was being formed by our government, and it was because the ACLU would have won the case for them to be released anyway. What cheney wants, and dont get it twisted, he is only asking for a couple documents and a couple pages from those documents (presumably because a small cut of anything might look huge but in context might mean little). So in fact, EVERYTHING, would need to be released to get an idea of the whole picture, and i am SURE that there are tons to make cheney and co. look very very bad. The CIA considers these documents to be private, i dont know there reasoning..... Im am begging for a truth commission, a bi partisan one, like the 9/11 commission, with statesmen not partisan, and lets see what happens...... the truth shall set you free.... and it will come out, it always comes out. Its the Holder's call to hold these people accountable, and it may not happen (judging from obama's posturing, it doesnt seem they have the stomach for it which would be unfortunate since no one is above the law)..... but at the very least, their name and legacy will be forever in the mud..... might be good enough punishment.

Let it all come out before u put anyones legacy in the mud...seems O bit off more than he can chew with this one....veryyy irresponsible to release bits ans pieces and than reject the rest, do you agree?

[jameznyhc]

krauthammer on FOX? lol...... the most discredited idiot means little. You think the CIA back then has credibility?????? hello mcfly? does yello cake from Niger mean anything to you? lol..... does slam dunk mean anything to you??? lol ....... Pelosi hasnt done a good job in explaining it, but best believe the CIA is VERY capable of framing arguements to the agenda of the day. Prime examples of that above.

typlical Alinsky style .. ridicule the commentator ..take the focus off Nanacy .. it doesnt fly anymore son we know the protocal .. There no way in hell the CIA is gonna brief her on tactics NOT used lol .. too bad your little witch hunt ended up infuriating the left and bringing down pelosi .. id guarantee if the administration had hard dirt on Cheney they go after him with 110% disposal .. he not like your off the cuff emotional rookie lightweight Barry lol ...he much smarter kid ..and they they underestimated him ..and he taking them down .. but hey this all could have been avoided .. especially since barry fli floppin all over the place.. i told ya kid military tribunals best solution .,. and nothings really changing is it .. NO WE CANT :heythere

[Gspot555]

Bro you do realize this was all Barry & Pelosi pursuing this bullshit they tried a witch hunt and got burned at the stake ..Yeah affable Dick Cheney yukkin it up with the press he had no choice but to call Obama out and he did . im glad he did too .. i would have done the same the same thing .. they didnt have to drag this up .. and im glad Cheney came out and said ok you wanna release info lets do it ..Now its Obama and Pelosi who look ridiculous ..gotta love it .. like i said bush/cheney anti terror policy stronger than ever right now thanks to Barry and his dumb ass rookie bullshit

yes, i understand that but you do realize that having Bush/Cheney still all over the news does not help you party, it hurts them...look at the bigger picture here

[joeylima]

this is the problem with the Republican party...why the fuck does Cheney have a PR blitz going on right now...bush/cheney destroyed this party and they continue as if they are still in charge...republican party should be embarrassed and should get control back of there party

embarassed? if anyone should be embarassed it should be obama and pelosi

[jameznyhc]

They released, not leaked, the torture memos because that showed how policy was being formed by our government, and it was because the ACLU would have won the case for them to be released anyway. What cheney wants, and dont get it twisted, he is only asking for a couple documents and a couple pages from those documents (presumably because a small cut of anything might look huge but in context might mean little). So in fact, EVERYTHING, would need to be released to get an idea of the whole picture, and i am SURE that there are tons to make cheney and co. look very very bad. The CIA considers these documents to be private, i dont know there reasoning..... Im am begging for a truth commission, a bi partisan one, like the 9/11 commission, with statesmen not partisan, and lets see what happens...... the truth shall set you free.... and it will come out, it always comes out. Its the Holder's call to hold these people accountable, and it may not happen (judging from obama's posturing, it doesnt seem they have the stomach for it which would be unfortunate since no one is above the law)..... but at the very least, their name and legacy will be forever in the mud..... might be good enough punishment.

your incorrect about the ACLU there allways top secret classified info that a judge will not let fringe groups exploit ... and barry could have signed an executive order which he didnt .. nice spin .. it doesnt woork

[jameznyhc]

yes, i understand that but you do realize that having Bush/Cheney still all over the news does not help you party, it hurts them...look at the bigger picture here


Actually Bush looks very Presidential compared to Clinton and Carter .. He never gets partisian or nasty and he wont crtitique his predecessor ...Never heard Bush blame Clinton for a year about the recession he inherited either

how did it hurt them .. this blew up in Obamas face .. 2012 is 3 years away lol..If cheney did nothing you think that would have been smarter? i dont get it ..

[jameznyhc]

bottomline is this .. everything with the exception of waterboarding the other 95% of bush anti terror policy is still being enforced .. why? because they were right and barry doesnt want a terror attack on his hands .. his credibilty would be ruined

[jameznyhc]

Let it all come out before u put anyones legacy in the mud...seems O bit off more than he can chew with this one....veryyy irresponsible to release bits ans pieces and than reject the rest, do you agree?

good luck with that answer

[metfan85]

yes, i understand that but you do realize that having Bush/Cheney still all over the news does not help you party, it hurts them...look at the bigger picture here

yup, yesterday afternoon I saw a very true peice of commentary on this...

The Neocons Really DO Hate the GOP (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/026808.html)
Posted by Christopher Manion at May 15, 2009 01:50 PM

Now Kid Kristol (http://weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=16503&R=1619322B3E) joins National Review (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/026784.html) in cheering Cheney. While Republicans wince (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/13/AR2009051303789_pf.html), Cheney's outbursts continue to rub the country's nose in Bush’s disasters.

Kristol, whose track record is virtually perfect (he’s always wrong), insists that Republicans can’t win in 2012 unless they keep reminding voters of the wonderful Bush (gee, that must be why every GOP 2008 primary contender – except Ron Paul -- refused to mention Bush at all, while they climbed all over each other trying to claim Reagan’s mantle).

The neocons (most of whom are Democrats anyway) simply hate the party that spurned them when their little war blew up in their face. So expect them to continue to thrust the stake (Bush) into what's left of the GOP and try to finish the job. From all appearances, this might be their first success.


Actually Bush looks very Presidential compared to Clinton and Carter .. He never gets partisian or nasty and he wont crtitique his predecessor ...Never heard Bush blame Clinton for a year about the recession he inherited either

how did it hurt them .. this blew up in Obamas face .. 2012 is 3 years away lol..If cheney did nothing you think that would have been smarter? i dont get it ..

If Bush was so great how come every Republican ran away from him during the presidential run? He's a cancer, the neo-con disease on this party needs to be rid of, the sooner the better. They have destroyed the party and along with their other left wing friends have destroyed the nation.

The neo-cons hate the avergae GOP voter, they're a bunch of big city Trotskyites. they hate the men they send to do their fighting, they hate the Christian past of this country, and they hate the party that stupidly put them in power. And now way would you be able to tell if they were supposedly Americans with their blind support of Israel.

[Gspot555]

yup, yesterday afternoon I saw a very true peice of commentary on this...

The Neocons Really DO Hate the GOP (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/026808.html)
Posted by Christopher Manion at May 15, 2009 01:50 PM

Now Kid Kristol (http://weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=16503&R=1619322B3E) joins National Review (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/026784.html) in cheering Cheney. While Republicans wince (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/13/AR2009051303789_pf.html), Cheney's outbursts continue to rub the country's nose in Bush’s disasters.

Kristol, whose track record is virtually perfect (he’s always wrong), insists that Republicans can’t win in 2012 unless they keep reminding voters of the wonderful Bush (gee, that must be why every GOP 2008 primary contender – except Ron Paul -- refused to mention Bush at all, while they climbed all over each other trying to claim Reagan’s mantle).

The neocons (most of whom are Democrats anyway) simply hate the party that spurned them when their little war blew up in their face. So expect them to continue to thrust the stake (Bush) into what's left of the GOP and try to finish the job. From all appearances, this might be their first success.



If Bush was so great how come every Republican ran away from him during the presidential run? He's a cancer, the neo-con disease on this party needs to be rid of, the sooner the better. They have destroyed the party and along with their other left wing friends have destroyed the nation.

The neo-cons hate the avergae GOP voter, they're a bunch of big city Trotskyites. they hate the men they send to do their fighting, they hate the Christian past of this country, and they hate the party that stupidly put them in power. And now way would you be able to tell if they were supposedly Americans with their blind support of Israel.

That article articulates what I have been trying to say...thanks for the link

Its sad to hear about Bush/Cheney all over the news and a guy like Ron Paul who has some great ideas is pushed off to internet videos

[jameznyhc]

yup, yesterday afternoon I saw a very true peice of commentary on this...

The Neocons Really DO Hate the GOP (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/026808.html)
Posted by Christopher Manion at May 15, 2009 01:50 PM

Now Kid Kristol (http://weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=16503&R=1619322B3E) joins National Review (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/026784.html) in cheering Cheney. While Republicans wince (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/13/AR2009051303789_pf.html), Cheney's outbursts continue to rub the country's nose in Bush’s disasters.

Kristol, whose track record is virtually perfect (he’s always wrong), insists that Republicans can’t win in 2012 unless they keep reminding voters of the wonderful Bush (gee, that must be why every GOP 2008 primary contender – except Ron Paul -- refused to mention Bush at all, while they climbed all over each other trying to claim Reagan’s mantle).

The neocons (most of whom are Democrats anyway) simply hate the party that spurned them when their little war blew up in their face. So expect them to continue to thrust the stake (Bush) into what's left of the GOP and try to finish the job. From all appearances, this might be their first success.



If Bush was so great how come every Republican ran away from him during the presidential run? He's a cancer, the neo-con disease on this party needs to be rid of, the sooner the better. They have destroyed the party and along with their other left wing friends have destroyed the nation.

The neo-cons hate the avergae GOP voter, they're a bunch of big city Trotskyites. they hate the men they send to do their fighting, they hate the Christian past of this country, and they hate the party that stupidly put them in power. And now way would you be able to tell if they were supposedly Americans with their blind support of Israel.


so kristol allways wrong but call me crazy was he the one who thought the Surge was destined to fail and bring more violence ?? or was that yours and Barrys view? .. ill go with the latter lol

I dont know any neocon's who is a trotskyite, ..dont know any who hate the troops either... or support israel blind because they refused to hit Iran because we were in Iraq.. so your generalization is built on lies which is why the author must generalize instead of quoting or naming people .. nice try but i have alot more in common with a pro-israeli .. then a paloestinian that worships the murderers of gaza , and worships Putins war on georgia ..dont know any who hates christianity legacy in this country either.. in fact most are very pro christian and with evangelical support feverishly behind Israel this article is another boo-hoo the neocons are bad guys .. cause they cant discuss the real topic at hand ..


Anyway i love how all ths shit blew up in Barrys face .. It didnt have to .. Cheney did the right thing ..All he did was defend himself and now pelosi payin for it lol!!..The blogger of this article also fails to mention the majority of Americanbs do agree with Cheney when it comes to prosecuting the bush crowd (buchanan and many other non neocons incuded) . releasing the photos, gitnmo, militay tribunals .. and soory buddy but barrys support for his afgan surge is close to 70% ... so who is the author addressing? the bitter libs who wanted to rip this country apart?

[jameznyhc]

That article articulates what I have been trying to say...thanks for the link

Its sad to hear about Bush/Cheney all over the news and a guy like Ron Paul who has some great ideas is pushed off to internet videos

again this all copuld have been avoided .. This was Obamas choice .. cheney just setting the record straight .. the elections are 3 years away ..I dont see how running and hiding was a better option

Obama did more to help Cheney/ bush than anyone else .. I guess thats why he keeping all their anti terror policys with the exception of waterboarding

[jameznyhc]

And heres Kristols article .. Again trying to say Bush was failure in anti terror just makes no sense it only one of the 2 things IMO he got right as President .. its a little more thought out substance than throwing insultslaced with generalities to the dumbed down





When accused of being too aggressive on behalf of the United States at the United Nations, Daniel Patrick Moynihan was fond of repeating a French proverb: "Cet animal est fort méchant, / Quand on l'attaque il se défend." Imagine--an animal so mean that, when attacked, it defends itself!

Dick Cheney is reminding Republicans that they need to defend themselves when attacked.

When President Obama released the Justice Department interrogation memos a month ago, Cheney denounced him for doing so. He explained why it was inappropriate and unwise to release such documents. But he did more. He didn't just defend himself and the administration in which he served. He fought back, and encouraged others to do so.

He challenged the president to release CIA memos evaluating the effectiveness of the enhanced interrogation techniques. He raised the question of whether congressional Democrats--Nancy Pelosi, for one--had known of, and at least tacitly approved of, the allegedly horrifying abuses of the allegedly lawless Bush administration.

Now, a month later, Pelosi is attacking career CIA officials for lying to Congress, and other Democrats are scrambling to distance themselves from her. Meanwhile, the Obama administration has pulled back on threats to prosecute Bush-era lawyers, reversed itself on releasing photos of alleged military abuse of prisoners, and embraced the use of military commissions to try captured terrorists. The administration now looks irresponsible when it lives up to candidate Obama's rhetoric, and hypocritical when it vindicates Bush policies the candidate attacked.

So while some Hill Republicans were fretting about getting a positive message


out and others were launching substance-free listening tours, while GOP operatives were wringing their hands about whether Republicans could recover from the Bush years, and while most senior Bush alumni were in hiding, Dick Cheney--Darth Vader himself, Mr. Unpopularity, the last guy you'd supposedly want out there making the case--stepped onto the field. He's made himself the Most Valuable Republican of the first four months of the Obama administration (ably assisted by a few bold denizens of the Hill like the ranking Republican on the House intelligence committee, Pete Hoekstra).

Of course, this has resulted in some Republican political operatives' doing what they do best: complaining, on background, to the media. "As Cheney Seizes Spotlight, Many Republicans Wince," was the front-page headline in Thursday's Washington Post. Two Republican "strategists" spoke "on the condition of anonymity in order to be candid." Profiles in courage! One of them opined that Cheney is "entirely unhelpful." The other elaborated, "Even if he's right, he's absolutely the wrong messenger.  .  .  .  We want Bush to be a distant memory in the next election."

To have such a juvenile understanding of political dynamics, you'd have to be a prominent "Republican strategist." You might actually have both the Dole and McCain campaigns under your belt. Or perhaps you were one of those who encouraged the Bush White House to assume a fetal position on most issues in its second term and not fight back against slanders or defend their people, because to do so would spotlight the "wrong" issues or people.

But of course an intelligent and knowledgeable advocate--even if he's personally not so popular--can do a lot to get an issue front and center. And the debate of that issue can do political damage to the existing administration and its congressional allies.

The real question any Republican strategist should ask himself is this: What will Republican chances be in 2012 if voters don't remember the Bush administration--however problematic in other areas--as successful in defending the country after 9/11? To give this issue away would be to accept a post-Herbert-Hoover-like-fate for today's GOP. That's why Republicans should listen carefully when Cheney gives a speech this week in which he'll lay out the case for the surveillance, detention, and interrogation policies of the Bush administration in the war against terror.

Now it's of course the case that Republicans have to do more than fight back. They need a forward-looking agenda in all areas. They can't just defend themselves against slanders or point out the flaws of their opponents. But they do have to fight back first.

After all, if you're behind on the scoreboard, and your defense is on the field--there's nothing better than to jam up a couple of running plays, sack the quarterback on a blitz, and force a punt from bad field position. The momentum changes as your offense takes over with a shot at putting some points on the board. Dick Cheney probably won't be the glamour quarterback of the Republican comeback. But he's proving to be a heck of a middle


linebacker.

--William Kristol




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typlical Alinsky style .. ridicule the commentator ..take the focus off Nanacy .. it doesnt fly anymore son we know the protocal .. There no way in hell the CIA is gonna brief her on tactics NOT used lol .. too bad your little witch hunt ended up infuriating the left and bringing down pelosi .. id guarantee if the administration had hard dirt on Cheney they go after him with 110% disposal .. he not like your off the cuff emotional rookie lightweight Barry lol ...he much smarter kid ..and they they underestimated him ..and he taking them down .. but hey this all could have been avoided .. especially since barry fli floppin all over the place.. i told ya kid military tribunals best solution .,. and nothings really changing is it .. NO WE CANT :heythere

No way in hell CIA would mislead? lol, and what about the yellow cake in Niger and what about slam dunk in iraq? are you serious..... Nancy pelosi is saying she did not get notified about waterboarding till the feb 2003 meeting in which her aid went..... and the 2002 one it was not mentioned..... that sounds legit to me.... and listen to what sen graham has to say about the matter.....CIA was saying they briefed him on FOUR occassions AND he only had one meeting with them (he is a maticulous note taker and records EVERYTHING)....The CIA had to retract and say he was right...... to put it SIMPLY for the hard headed, the CIA's track record in 2002 was AUTROCIOUS. They were so off the ball and off the mission statement, it was like the wildwest in that division.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363

read and learn....

and you keep dodging a huge bomb about cheney thats about to explode:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-05-13/cheneys-role-deepens/

This piece has sent shockwaves across the world...... read and learn yet again...... you might be enlightened to Cheney's attempt to "reverse engineer" the Iraq war.

Shits going down whether obama wants to do it or not....... like i always said.... they might have been the most secretive administration in history, but no secret goes on forever in this country..... the truth shall set you free

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No way in hell CIA would mislead? lol, and what about the yellow cake in Niger and what about slam dunk in iraq? are you serious..... Nancy pelosi is saying she did not get notified about waterboarding till the feb 2003 meeting in which her aid went..... and the 2002 one it was not mentioned..... that sounds legit to me.... and listen to what sen graham has to say about the matter.....CIA was saying they briefed him on FOUR occassions AND he only had one meeting with them (he is a maticulous note taker and records EVERYTHING)....The CIA had to retract and say he was right...... to put it SIMPLY for the hard headed, the CIA's track record in 2002 was AUTROCIOUS. They were so off the ball and off the mission statement, it was like the wildwest in that division.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104196363

read and learn....

and you keep dodging a huge bomb about cheney thats about to explode:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-05-13/cheneys-role-deepens/

This piece has sent shockwaves across the world...... read and learn yet again...... you might be enlightened to Cheney's attempt to "reverse engineer" the Iraq war.

Shits going down whether obama wants to do it or not....... like i always said.... they might have been the most secretive administration in history, but no secret goes on forever in this country..... the truth shall set you free

one problem Obama not backing her up .. in fact Obama pick Leon Panetta accussed pelosi of straight up lying .. thirdly all the intelligence in 2002 was ratified to get rid of the Clinton era fbi/cia wall of division .. any info leading up to 9/11 was clinton cia office ..which he also relied on for bomnbing Iraq in 98, Bombbing bosnia in 99..And noww Barry using it to kill al qaeda in pakistan and afghamistan ...

But Obama can easily come to Pelosis aid he got the memos ..so why isnt he backing her up? .. again the CIA not going to brief polticians on tactics they DONT use lol .. she even backtracking now correct?

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one problem Obama not backing her up .. in fact Obama pick Leon Panetta accussed pelosi of straight up lying .. thirdly all the intelligence in 2002 was ratified to get rid of the Clinton era fbi/cia wall of division .. any info leading up to 9/11 was clinton cia office ..which he also relied on for bomnbing Iraq in 98, Bombbing bosnia in 99..And noww Barry using it to kill al qaeda in pakistan and afghamistan ...

But Obama can easily come to Pelosis aid he got the memos ..so why isnt he backing her up? .. again the CIA not going to brief polticians on tactics they DONT use lol .. she even backtracking now correct?

im not really interested on whose CIA's it was (clintons, bush's, kermit the frog)..... alll i am saying is factual, that there consistency, their actions, and their recollection of meetings and briefings are mad suspect..... their credibility was completely SHOT back then, hence the complete makeover (still a work in progress)...... they themselves are embarrassed with their performance back then..... hence the universal agreement of "failure of intelligence" who you think that hammer of a statement rests on? the c-i-fucking-a. So if pelosi is there saying she was NOT informed in 2002 of waterboarding.... i would gladly side with here in this he said she said..... granted, her handling of the matter was beyond terrible but it pales in comparison to the CIA back in 02.....thats just fact.

and as for cheney suggesting torture to a P.O.W in the Iraq war to get a lead on the already claimed (and later discredited) reason to go to war (saddam and AQ were in bed together) is a landmind that has exploded - our cocksucking VP of the united states reccomended torture of a POW (not terrorist combantant), to be clear, not alqeada, but one of saddams leading men in his security force so he can somehow get out of him the silver bullet to BACKFILL an unbased claim that the neocons hashed up to sell the war to the american people....... where is bill crystal and krautsucker on this? oh thats right, they were the cheerleaders when this all happened...... ugly ugly ugly...... be glad you are backing a gremlin along with 12% of the country :heart

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im not really interested on whose CIA's it was (clintons, bush's, kermit the frog)..... alll i am saying is factual, that there consistency, their actions, and their recollection of meetings and briefings are mad suspect..... their credibility was completely SHOT back then, hence the complete makeover (still a work in progress)...... they themselves are embarrassed with their performance back then..... hence the universal agreement of "failure of intelligence" who you think that hammer of a statement rests on? the c-i-fucking-a. So if pelosi is there saying she was NOT informed in 2002 of waterboarding.... i would gladly side with here in this he said she said..... granted, her handling of the matter was beyond terrible but it pales in comparison to the CIA back in 02.....thats just fact.

and as for cheney suggesting torture to a P.O.W in the Iraq war to get a lead on the already claimed (and later discredited) reason to go to war (saddam and AQ were in bed together) is a landmind that has exploded - our cocksucking VP of the united states reccomended torture of a POW (not terrorist combantant), to be clear, not alqeada, but one of saddams leading men in his security force so he can somehow get out of him the silver bullet to BACKFILL an unbased claim that the neocons hashed up to sell the war to the american people....... where is bill crystal and krautsucker on this? oh thats right, they were the cheerleaders when this all happened...... ugly ugly ugly...... be glad you are backing a gremlin along with 12% of the country :heart

if thats true then they got the proof on Cheney why no action? lol ..again Barry dissing Pelosi, and they got nothing on cheney except a daily beast blogger lmao ...

was the person waterboarded? this guy Cheney accussed of "suggesting to waterboard? " lol was he in charge of Sadaams chemical weapons division and was his position to negotiate with terrorisg roups? .. again i only know of 3 who were waterboarded.. with doctors on hand and witnesses ..lol yeah this cheney news exploded all over the daily beast lol

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if thats true then they got the proof on Cheney why no action? lol ..again Barry dissing Pelosi, and they got nothing on cheney except a daily beast blogger lmao ...

was the person waterboarded? this guy Cheney accussed of "suggesting to waterboard? " lol was he in charge of Sadaams chemical weapons division and was his position to negotiate with terrorisg roups? .. again i only know of 3 who were waterboarded.. with doctors on hand and witnesses ..lol yeah this cheney news exploded all over the daily beast lol

the guy at the daily beast broke it..... EVERY news source carried it..... if you lived outside bill oreillys op-eds on the Post you would have caught it. <sigh>

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the guy at the daily beast broke it..... EVERY news source carried it..... if you lived outside bill oreillys op-eds on the Post you would have caught it. <sigh>

caught what? nobodys talking about it? what can they do prosecute cheney for suggesting something LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL !!!!

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caught what? nobodys talking about it? what can they do prosecute cheney for suggesting something LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL !!!!

caught the story, rather than ME actually informing you (as i always do) about this story (which broke days ago)...... you live in such a bubble its unreal.... and what this does is add color to what was going on. Its disproves clearly that they did this to the mastermind of 9/11 and other top AQ peeps, nope, it was going to be done (if not done) on POWs straight from the VP's mouth.... and it was done NOT TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY.... (which is the right's garbage pathetic defense) but to try, basically SCRAMBLE, to backfill all the HORRID gaps in Bush's fable for the Iraqi threat.....

what the fuck cants you see about this? this is ethical? principled? you should be ashamed, but your not, cause your hopeless.... your not patriotic, your not a good american.... you ARE THE TRAITOR, you support the "bad apples" that SHAMED our country..... why do you think you are so alone in this? you are backing the slowest horse in the derby, putting your life savings on an old injured hobbled horse, and expecting a big payday...... sorry but you have been grossly disappointed.

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caught the story, rather than ME actually informing you (as i always do) about this story (which broke days ago)...... you live in such a bubble its unreal.... and what this does is add color to what was going on. Its disproves clearly that they did this to the mastermind of 9/11 and other top AQ peeps, nope, it was going to be done (if not done) on POWs straight from the VP's mouth.... and it was done NOT TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY.... (which is the right's garbage pathetic defense) but to try, basically SCRAMBLE, to backfill all the HORRID gaps in Bush's fable for the Iraqi threat.....

what the fuck cants you see about this? this is ethical? principled? you should be ashamed, but your not, cause your hopeless.... your not patriotic, your not a good american.... you ARE THE TRAITOR, you support the "bad apples" that SHAMED our country..... why do you think you are so alone in this? you are backing the slowest horse in the derby, putting your life savings on an old injured hobbled horse, and expecting a big payday...... sorry but you have been grossly disappointed.

but he wasnt waterboarded lol..you got some mainstream links to this story?

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but he wasnt waterboarded lol..you got some mainstream links to this story?

its gonna be investigated buddy, already a handful of senetors and house members are alarmed by this and are saying they may pursue it.......

mainstream links? lol.... too many to choose from, you do the work:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=daily%20beast%20cheney&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn

notice "Cheney's office accused of picking waterboarding targets" and the 1,150 articles underneath it, click away - had to map it out for you in case you dont know google.....

like i said, its a lonely world living on Fox News and the Post.... you only become more dumb by the day with that junk...... lonely lonely world

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its gonna be investigated buddy, already a handful of senetors and house members are alarmed by this and are saying they may pursue it.......

mainstream links? lol.... too many to choose from, you do the work:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=daily%20beast%20cheney&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn

notice "Cheney's office accused of picking waterboarding targets" and the 1,150 articles underneath it, click away - had to map it out for you in case you dont know google.....

like i said, its a lonely world living on Fox News and the Post.... you only become more dumb by the day with that junk...... lonely lonely world

Lol every single link said "according to the daily beast" ..nobody would back it up .. thats like posting here and a news organization reports on your post ..

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Lol every single link said "according to the daily beast" ..nobody would back it up .. thats like posting here and a news organization reports on your post ..

didnt you read my post before? this investigator broke the news and every news carrier (from NYT to every international paper) ran with it...... i said it clearly.....

you see how it works? some one does good investigation and breaks the story..... other media outlets on tv, print, and the internet carry it further...... pressures politicians to look at it..... further investigations, mroe breaks..... and the vicious cycle continues..... thats how news work kid, if you want more lessons on how the world turns hit me up with a PM. I usually charge for all this

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didnt you read my post before? this investigator broke the news and every news carrier (from NYT to every international paper) ran with it...... i said it clearly.....

you see how it works? some one does good investigation and breaks the story..... other media outlets on tv, print, and the internet carry it further...... pressures politicians to look at it..... further investigations, mroe breaks..... and the vicious cycle continues..... thats how news work kid, if you want more lessons on how the world turns hit me up with a PM. I usually charge for all this

broke what story though? that cheney suggested something? where his memos or proof? .. he got a tape? .. see everyone reported the pelosi witout fingering blogs .. they had their own reporters confirm .. pointing to a dialy beast blog is just that .. nothing was broken .. this guy doesnt even have a tape or memo

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broke what story though? that cheney suggested something? where his memos or proof? .. he got a tape? .. see everyone reported the pelosi witout fingering blogs .. they had their own reporters confirm .. pointing to a dialy beast blog is just that .. nothing was broken .. this guy doesnt even have a tape or memo

he has the accounts of senior sources.... kind like 99% of other stories..... a "source" discloses the news..... like valarie plame, like watergate, like everything else.... a source tells the journalist

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he has the accounts of senior sources.... kind like 99% of other stories..... a "source" discloses the news..... like valarie plame, like watergate, like everything else.... a source tells the journalist

right like the michelle i hate whitey obama tapes.. lol ..

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yah this is such a ploy... i dont believe its' authenticity.