Jesse "The Body" Venture on the Lying, Torturing US Government

[metfan85]

Remember this is coming from a Navy SEAL who was waterboarded. Tougher SOB than most everyone here, and the CIZ in suits, who are advocating torture:


"Have you enlisted? Go walk the walk, dont talk the talk" Amen
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[Zbad1ne]

he's lookin old now, come a long way from Minnesota and Predator

[jameznyhc]

he doesnt know cause we havent seen the memos ...why is he comparing terror suspects to american criminals?..he said the threats werent imminent lol .. and we do electrocute them lol

[metfan85]

he doesnt know cause we havent seen the memos ...why is he comparing terror suspects to american criminals?..he said the threats werent imminent lol .. and we do electrocute them lol

more people get killed my local criminals than terrorists by many many thousands of times over. why not torture them? Hey if it saves just ONE American life!!!

[jameznyhc]

more people get killed my local criminals than terrorists by many many thousands of times over. why not torture them? Hey if it saves just ONE American life!!!

we electrocute them ...lol

[metfan85]

we electrocute them ...lol

1). we don't any longer

2). it was as punishment for a crime committed, not for a crime people are thinking about committing

[chris817]

He said this am on stern give him Cheney for an hr, and after waterboarding him he will admit to the tate murders..

[ShaE]

1). we don't any longer

2). it was as punishment for a crime committed, not for a crime people are thinking about committing
jamez is seeming to fail to realize the whole process of charges, trial, sentencing, and appeals that happens before the actual electrocution.

people found guilty have been put to death, not people ASSUMED guilty, not actually charged, not actually proven.

and i'm not even for the death penalty.

[ShaE]

He said this am on stern give him Cheney for an hr, and after waterboarding him he will admit to the tate murders..
anybody who denies a man being tortured will tell you WHATEVER he thinks you want to hear to make it stop, is completely bullshitting to justify his support of it.

i don't know how people that claim torture is effective aren't embarrassed by their own bullshit.

[jameznyhc]

jamez is seeming to fail to realize the whole process of charges, trial, sentencing, and appeals that happens before the actual electrocution.

people found guilty have been put to death, not people ASSUMED guilty, not actually charged, not actually proven.

and i'm not even for the death penalty.

khalid shek mohammed was not assumed he was guilty .. it was used on 3 people .. the reason barry wont release the memos is because Cheney is right

[jameznyhc]

anybody who denies a man being tortured will tell you WHATEVER he thinks you want to hear to make it stop, is completely bullshitting to justify his support of it.

i don't know how people that claim torture is effective aren't embarrassed by their own bullshit.

well then barry should call cheneys bluff ...but he wont

[jameznyhc]

1). we don't any longer

2). it was as punishment for a crime committed, not for a crime people are thinking about committing

khalid shek mohammed and his 2 boys were guilty

[metfan85]

jamez is seeming to fail to realize the whole process of charges, trial, sentencing, and appeals that happens before the actual electrocution.

people found guilty have been put to death, not people ASSUMED guilty, not actually charged, not actually proven.

and i'm not even for the death penalty.


khalid shek mohammed and his 2 boys were guilty


khalid shek mohammed was not assumed he was guilty .. it was used on 3 people .. the reason barry wont release the memos is because Cheney is right

I should add one more to why this isn't comparable to the death penalty

3. Torture wasn't justified as morally and legally acceptable because it was punishment, rather torture was justified as a means to extracting information, regardless of the culpability of the one being tortured.

One who was tortured had that done to him in hopes that he would give an invading army the whereabouts of someone who may or may not be involved in a terror plot. They were not tortured as retribution, or punishment, therefore being found guilty of a crime in completely irrelevant.

[jameznyhc]

I should add one more to why this isn't comparable to the death penalty

3. Torture wasn't justified as morally and legally acceptable because it was punishment, rather torture was justified as a means to extracting information, regardless of the culpability of the one being tortured.

One who was tortured had that done to him in hopes that he would give an invading army the whereabouts of someone who may or may not be involved in a terror plot. They were not tortured as retribution, or punishment, therefore being found guilty of a crime in completely irrelevant.

thats true .but my point is it was used extremly selectively to only 3 people ..again if we were rippin out fingernails id agree with ya ..but when its simulated drowning thats a fear tactic .and with doctors on site come on now, . not true physical torture ..its mental torture ..like the bugs and sleep deprivation ..

college hazing is more dangerous than what happened to these guys

[metfan85]

thats true .but my point is it was used extremly selectively to only 3 people ..again if we were rippin out fingernails id agree with ya ..but when its simulated drowning thats a fear tactic .and with doctors on site come on now, . not true physical torture ..its mental torture ..like the bugs and sleep deprivation ..

college hazing is more dangerous than what happened to these guys

Everything starts out extremely selective. Also how do we not now about what else was done? How many years did it take for the Gulf of Tonkin lie to surface, that lie killed 57,000 American men, and it was hidden for an awful long while.

The CIA has done things we will ever know, in the name of American exceptionalism, and you think they waterboarded only 3 people? Come on man. Well I hope you think it's worth it, because I sure as hell don't.

Mental torture is torture bro, physical pain like mental pain is just brain waves.

[chris817]

thats true .but my point is it was used extremly selectively to only 3 people ..again if we were rippin out fingernails id agree with ya ..but when its simulated drowning thats a fear tactic .and with doctors on site come on now, . not true physical torture ..its mental torture ..like the bugs and sleep deprivation ..

college hazing is more dangerous than what happened to these guys

have you gone thru waterboarding? you make it seem like a day at the beach where you swallow some water
this is torture, and has been since the spanish inquisition. Torture is the infliction of extreme pain on mind or body. What you are describing is disfigurement and assault; those AS WELL AS waterboarding and the other 'methods' Cheney authorized. ARE TORTURE.

[digital kemical]

I guess the swine flu is a form of torture, I mean, think about it,,,, the same people probably put the shit out there.

[TrippinFace101]

I guess the swine flu is a form of torture, I mean, think about it,,,, the same people probably put the shit out there.

Dude enough with the swine flu already. More people die of the common flu. Yeah i know the swine flu is knewer but damn breathe in and breathe out

[ShaE]

khalid shek mohammed was not assumed he was guilty .. it was used on 3 people .. the reason barry wont release the memos is because Cheney is right
amazingly you believe your own bullshit

we only tortured one person?
we couldn't have found him guilty without torturing him?
guilt makes torture ok?

wrong on SO many counts.

[ShaE]

I should add one more to why this isn't comparable to the death penalty

3. Torture wasn't justified as morally and legally acceptable because it was punishment, rather torture was justified as a means to extracting information, regardless of the culpability of the one being tortured.

One who was tortured had that done to him in hopes that he would give an invading army the whereabouts of someone who may or may not be involved in a terror plot. They were not tortured as retribution, or punishment, therefore being found guilty of a crime in completely irrelevant.excellent point

[ShaE]

thats true .but my point is it was used extremly selectively to only 3 people ..
you can't possibly believe that.

and torture isn't defined by how "dangerous" the practice is to you.
locking you in solitary confinement for 25 years would be torturing somebody, but it wouldn't physically kill them.

i have no idea where you got the idea that whether or not something is torture is defined by how life threatening it is, completely the opposite.

[jameznyhc]

you can't possibly believe that.

and torture isn't defined by how "dangerous" the practice is to you.
locking you in solitary confinement for 25 years would be torturing somebody, but it wouldn't physically kill them.

i have no idea where you got the idea that whether or not something is torture is defined by how life threatening it is, completely the opposite.

we do that also .. to our own criminals .. john gotti a perfect example

[jameznyhc]

you can't possibly believe that.

and torture isn't defined by how "dangerous" the practice is to you.
locking you in solitary confinement for 25 years would be torturing somebody, but it wouldn't physically kill them.

i have no idea where you got the idea that whether or not something is torture is defined by how life threatening it is, completely the opposite.

if there were others lets hear about them .. but there isnt .. your witch hunt was a joke..



Whatever you may think of former Vice President Dick Cheney, he's a man who stands up for his convictions. You'd have a hard time making the same case for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

A lot of people -- and not a few Republicans -- would like Cheney to shut up. But he won't back down from defending the policies -- and the people responsible for them -- that he says kept America safe from another attack in the years after Sept. 11, 2001.

Usually when power changes hands, all eyes focus on looking ahead. Not this time. The liberal wing of the Democratic Party thinks it has scores to settle with the presidency of George W. Bush, which the left never considered legitimate because of the controversial 2000 election and which was responsible for the hated Iraq war.

Given the salvos of angry accusations, the drumbeat for show trials before congressional committees and the calls for prosecutions of some administration figures or a "truth commission," someone was bound to step up for the defense. Already despised by liberals and harboring no political ambitions, Cheney jumped into the fray. He was the logical candidate because he was the unswerving advocate for the toughest policies in Bush's White House.

At the other end of the political spectrum, Pelosi pushed herself as an uncompromising opponent and critic of Bush policies. Then the rug was pulled out from under her in the controversy over enhanced interrogation techniques.

At issue is a September 2002 briefing at which the CIA says it told Pelosi that the harsh interrogation methods "had been used." She countered with an inflammatory charge that the CIA had lied to Congress -- a federal crime -- by telling her that waterboarding had not been employed. It remains to be seen whether this he-said-she-said dispute can be resolved.

But the facts that Pelosi acknowledged in a confused and contradictory news conference hardly paint a flattering picture of her. She said the September 2002 briefers did tell her about methods to be used in the future and that waterboarding had been deemed legal. What's more, she admitted learning in February 2003 via a CIA briefing one of her staffers attended that terrorist suspects had been waterboarded.

Though one of the powerful Democrats on Capitol Hill, Pelosi did nothing to try to stop what she says she considered torture. Her defenders say she was powerless to act and is not complicit in detainee policy. That makes a mockery of the very notion of congressional oversight of administration policy. What's the point of oversight if it can accomplish nothing?

On a couple of occasions, I've written that I think waterboarding is torture but that I was not tasked with the awesome responsibility of protecting American lives in the weeks and months after 9/11 when the universal expectation was another attack was imminent.

Several journalists underwent waterboarding and declared it to be torture. No one has ever had to have his fingernails pulled out to deem that ordeal to be torture. That journalists had to experiment with waterboarding suggests it might fall into a gray area.

In an episode of the long-running TV show "Law & Order," a detective trying to locate a kidnapped child shoved the head of a suspect into a toilet -- a form of waterboarding -- to find the girl. In the groundbreaking TV series "NYPD Blue," detective Andy Sipowicz never hesitated to rough up a suspect to save a life. In the hit movie "Dark Knight," Batman tortured the Joker to try to save the woman he loved and a crusading prosecutor.

Our popular culture recognizes those protecting innocent lives can, in times of extreme stress, cross the line. I'm not citing TV and movies to justify torture. But they're a reminder that most of us never face the complex, murky, gray world where the guardians of our society are forced to live.

Cheney and Pelosi have peered into that world. Their reactions tell us much about them both.

[ShaE]

we do that also .. to our own criminals .. john gotti a perfect example
again, charged, tried, guilty, punished, and there are laws about how long you can lock somebody in solitary jamez. you can't do it indefinitely.

[jameznyhc]

again, charged, tried, guilty, punished, and there are laws about how long you can lock somebody in solitary jamez. you can't do it indefinitely.

wrong gotti was sentenced to life in marion fed prison its 23 hour lockdown prison in solidtary confinement ..