steriods

[TheHipHopBillGates]

is doing steriods really as bad as the public opinion conceaves it or is it just really another supplement?

[vman]

Originally posted by TheHipHopBillGates
is doing steriods really as bad as the public opinion conceaves it or is it just really another supplement? If you dont know what your doing.......YES it is as bad. If you do, well thats a different story.

[GINZ]

They are like any other drug..if you abuse them, they are bad for you.

Respect it and understand what it does, why it does it, and what you need to do to keep your body running healthy and you will be A ok.:WINK

[WonderBread]

Pretty much what Juice head Ginz said :)

[GINZ]

Thanks Juice Head Dave

http://www.nightclubcity.com/forum/avatar.php?userid=4464&dateline=1072731979

[Penelicious]

Originally posted by Ginz
They are like any other drug..if you abuse them, they are bad for you.

Respect it and understand what it does, why it does it, and what you need to do to keep your body running healthy and you will be A ok.:WINK

So are you saying that other drugs are OKAY for you when used in moderation too? :suspicion

[GINZ]

Originally posted by Penelicious
So are you saying that other drugs are OKAY for you when used in moderation too? :suspicion

Not at all. Doing let's say...Coke in moderation for instance, is NOT going to give you positive effects on your body.

Doing small doses of testosterone on the other hand can be very beneficial in some males. Doctors use steroids every day to treat patients that would other wise have major medical problems.

[Penelicious]

But cocaine can also be used for medicinal purposes as well. As can marijuana. And let's not forget, Ecstacy was once used an anti-depressant.

[Kristen]

Originally posted by Ginz
Not at all. Doing let's say...Coke in moderation for instance, is NOT going to give you positive effects on your body.

Doing small doses of testosterone on the other hand can be very beneficial in some males. Doctors use steroids every day to treat patients that would other wise have major medical problems.

But if you don't need the steroid how is that good for you? B/C you'll look better?

[Kristen]

Originally posted by Penelicious
But cocaine can also be used for medicinal purposes as well. As can marijuana. And let's not forget, Ecstacy was once used an anti-depressant.



Right they use marijuana and other drugs for medicinal purposes.

[GINZ]

Originally posted by Penelicious
But cocaine can also be used for medicinal purposes as well. As can marijuana. And let's not forget, Ecstacy was once used an anti-depressant.

Apples and Oranges...

[Penelicious]

Originally posted by Ginz
Apples and Oranges...

Steroids--illegal

Cocaine--illegal

Marijuana--illegal

Ecstacy--illegal

Looks like a pretty decent basket of apples to me.

[Kristen]

Originally posted by Ginz
Apples and Oranges...


apples and oranges my ass, for real.

Steroids are illegal for a reason as well as other drugs so how can you say in moderation they are ok when others aren't?

huh ginz huh?

[GINZ]

Anabolic Steroids, used in moderation,can boost a mans natural testosterone levels, making him feel and look strongr and more healthy. There was a great article in Mens Health last year that I wish I had right now. It went into depth about how many males have safely and effectively used anabolic steroids to kick start their natural testosterone levels, ;leading to a much happier and healthier life style.

As far as comparing steroids to street drugs, you ARE in fact comparing apples to oranges. Steroids dont alter your mind and nervous system. Steroids also dont have you end up at a club tweaked out of your mind looking like death.

How do ya like dem apples????

[Penelicious]

Originally posted by Ginz

As far as comparing steroids to street drugs, you ARE in fact comparing apples to oranges. Steroids dont alter your mind and nervous system. Steroids also dont have you end up at a club tweaked out of your mind looking like death.


You sure about that????

How about those FREAKS who walk around with 27 inch arms with puffy nipples and veiny skin?

And those that use street drugs that are "tweaked" out of their mind are those who are ABUSING. So back to your original statement--"if you abuse them, they are bad for you".

[kroms]

steroids are illegal because of misinformation and incomplete studies shown in the 80s....so now performance enhancing drugs are Schedule III drugs which put them in the same class as heroin cocaine etc....and this makes sense to pple??

Steroids can be used to enhance performance and create lean muscle mass.....cocaine can be used as an anethestic/ pain reliever....

so if i use steroids ( even tho they are illegal) to increase my overall stength and ability....and the guy next to me uses cocaine because hes bored and wants to get "high" that puts us in the same boat? we should receive the same penalties?

yeah that sounds like apples and apples to me...

:suspicion

[GINZ]

Originally posted by Penelicious


How about those FREAKS who walk around with 27 inch arms with puffy nipples and veiny skin?

And those that use street drugs that are "tweaked" out of their mind are those who are ABUSING. So back to your original statement--"if you abuse them, they are bad for you".

To your first point, those juice freaks are the ones that have forced Steroids into the balck market. M-O-D-E-R-A-T-I-O-N

Second point, please tell me how doing coke or other street drugs has positively affected your health an well being? Did you ever feel like amillion bucks after doing a few bumps? Did you feel like going out and taking a jog after taking a pill? 1/2 a pill?

[Penelicious]

Originally posted by kroms


so if i use steroids ( even tho they are illegal) to increase my overall stength and ability....and the guy next to me uses cocaine because hes bored and wants to get "high" that puts us in the same boat? we should receive the same penalties?



I'm sorry, but out of the 100 guys that I've met in all my years clubbing, I'd say 96 of them were on steroids just because they WANTED TO LOOK BIG AND MUSCULAR not necessarily because they want to increase their overall strength and ability.

[kroms]

Originally posted by Penelicious
You sure about that????

How about those FREAKS who walk around with 27 inch arms with puffy nipples and veiny skin?

And those that use street drugs that are "tweaked" out of their mind are those who are ABUSING. So back to your original statement--"if you abuse them, they are bad for you".

pple who are using 'street drugs' are either using drugs intended for something else to alter mental status (heroin,cocaine ) or are creating their own (exctasy, crystal meth) for the same purpose....

steroids are being used for the purpose they were made...but then government thru misinformation now says you are not allowed to....

[Penelicious]

Originally posted by Ginz
Second point, please tell me how doing coke or other street drugs has positively affected your health an well being? Did you ever feel like amillion bucks after doing a few bumps? Did you feel like going out and taking a jog after taking a pill? 1/2 a pill?

I'm not advocating or promoting drug use Mike. I'm not saying one is better than the other. I think they're EQUALLY damaging.

I'm sure there are horror stories of people who take steroids too, so don't give me that crap that it's "safe and good for you". Orange juice is good for you, not injecting yourself with chemicals.

[kroms]

Originally posted by Penelicious
I'm not advocating or promoting drug use Mike. I'm not saying one is better than the other. I think they're EQUALLY damaging.

I'm sure there are horror stories of people who take steroids too, so don't give me that crap that it's "safe and good for you". Orange juice is good for you, not injecting yourself with chemicals.

i think thats the point Ginz is making...they are not EQUALLY damaging...

[Penelicious]

Originally posted by kroms
pple who are using 'street drugs' are either using drugs intended for something else to alter mental status (heroin,cocaine ) or are creating their own (exctasy, crystal meth) for the same purpose....

steroids are being used for the purpose they were made...but then government thru misinformation now says you are not allowed to....

When you all do 20 years or research, THEN you can say they are NOT equally damaging and I'll believe it.

Juiceheads.

[GINZ]

You are still missing the point of CORRECTLY USING them. I am in no way saying that the majority of people out there DO NOT use them correctly.

I would say that our of 20 guys I know that have used juice,maybe 2 people properly dosed them selves and took the neccessay precautions to protect their body from side effects. People just dont educate themselves and do the leg work with research before jumping into it.

[kroms]

Originally posted by Penelicious
When you all do 20 years or research, THEN you can say they are NOT equally damaging and I'll believe it.

Juiceheads.

if you did half the research we did you probably wouldnt act as blind to facts and not popular propaganda....

[Penelicious]

Oh yeah, now it makes sense.

[Penelicious]

Originally posted by kroms
if you did half the research we did you probably wouldnt act as blind to facts and not popular propaganda....

Yup, that's me. Blind and stubborn. I have my view and you have yours.

[kroms]

Originally posted by Penelicious
Yup, that's me. Blind and stubborn. I have my view and you have yours.

absolutely...i just wouldnt be happy with a misinformed one...



;)

[Penelicious]

Originally posted by kroms
absolutely...i just wouldnt be happy with a misinformed one...



;)

Good for you.

[kroms]

Originally posted by Penelicious
Good for you.

is it me or is it very chilly in here?


:chatterin

[Penelicious]

No...it's COLD.

Must be me.

[TheHipHopBillGates]

Originally posted by Penelicious
I'm sorry, but out of the 100 guys that I've met in all my years clubbing, I'd say 96 of them were on steroids just because they WANTED TO LOOK BIG AND MUSCULAR not necessarily because they want to increase their overall strength and ability.

well the whole reason I asked the question is because I want to get stronger, I'm completely comfortable with the size I am now and don't have a desire to get any bigger. Though I'm not fond of needles at all. And I hear the pills wack your liver twice.

[GINZ]

Originally posted by TheHipHopBillGates
well the whole reason I asked the question is because I want to get stronger, I'm completely comfortable with the size I am now and don't have a desire to get any bigger. Though I'm not fond of needles at all. And I hear the pills wack your liver twice.

Strength and size are relative. As you get stronger you will gain size, and vice versa.

Most oral steroids(dbol/Winstrol Tabs) are very hard on the liver.
If you choose to go that route, make sure you protect your liver by regularly taking vitamins such as Alpha Lipoic Acid, Milk Thistle extract, and/or Cranberry extract.

[Deez Nuggets]

Inregards to the misinforming government and the masses that conform to the information, take a look at ephedra which is now a banned substance. If used correctly, ephedra can be a VERY effective fat burner, however, it's the assholes like that baseball pitcher who took WAY too much, didn't eat, was poorly hydrated, and was working out in 95 degree sun. It's unfortunate for his family & friends that he suffered a stroke and died from it but that is no reason for the government to base their arguement on why it should be banned. Moderation is the point.

I do steroids and have been for the past 3 years. I get monthly blood work to monitor my liver and kidneys done before, on, and after a cycle to make sure everything is working properly. I feel It's people like Ronnie Coleman and other current olympian body builders that are now blowing steroid usage WAY out of proportion ..

I'm not saying legalize steroids & drugs or that just because I monitor myself on steroids that juicing is o.k., I'm just saying just because the government says it's illegal, doesn't mean it's going to hurt you if you use it in moderation and take proper precautions when doing so. It's a touchy subject and I respect everyones opinion, it's assholes that abuse and take no consideration to themselves or the people around them that give the government the ability to misinform the masses and ruin it for the rest of us.

[GINZ]

Originally posted by Deez Nuggets

I do steroids and have been for the past 3 years. I get monthly blood work to monitor my liver and kidneys done before, on, and after a cycle to make sure everything is working properly. I feel It's people like Ronnie Coleman and other current olympian body builders that are now blowing steroid usage WAY out of proportion ..



This is a prime example of someone who has done his research, inderstands what he is taking and why it does what it does, and takes the proper steps to ensure that he isnt doing any damage to his body.

Bravo:applause

[Kristen]

Originally posted by Ginz
This is a prime example of someone who has done his research, inderstands what he is taking and why it does what it does, and takes the proper steps to ensure that he isnt doing any damage to his body.

Bravo:applause


:rolleyes:

[GINZ]

Originally posted by Kristen
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Ya'self:rolleyes:

[Kristen]

Originally posted by Ginz
:rolleyes: Ya'self:rolleyes:
:TONGUE

[GINZ]

Originally posted by Kristen
:TONGUE :moon

[Louie Corrales]

Originally posted by Ginz
This is a prime example of someone who has done his research, inderstands what he is taking and why it does what it does, and takes the proper steps to ensure that he isnt doing any damage to his body.

Bravo:applause


I agree... Deez Nuggets def takes the proper steps to insure safety...

[FAST]

juice is great

that's all you need to knwo

the bullshit they say is all hype...do it right and you will be addicted for life;..

do ti wrong and you will kill yourself


read read read b4 you consider doing any type of juice

[jameznyhc]

Originally posted by TheHipHopBillGates
well the whole reason I asked the question is because I want to get stronger, I'm completely comfortable with the size I am now and don't have a desire to get any bigger. Though I'm not fond of needles at all. And I hear the pills wack your liver twice. If your a drinker which i know you are from reading your posts forget about it too much to worry ...have you tried mag 10 or m1T yet?? im starting this week ill keep ya posted i know ginz started this week as well ask him..And gene had good success with it as well