Russian Report of Mossad poisoning Arafat

[TecHnO JesUs]

Add this to the growing speculation...

http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?showarticle.php?articleID=5324&lang=ENG

Russian Report: Radiation Poisoning Killed Arafat

According to Al-Bayan, the Russian Intelligence gave a report about the history of the U.S and Israel of using Radiation Poisoning to kill Arabs leaders to the PA.

Maher Ibrahim, a Palestinian Journalist from Gaza, wrote in Al-Bayan on 13 November 2004 an article (Arabic) (local copy here) titled “Israeli Radiation Poisoning Killed President Yasser Arafat”. Al-Bayan is a Political Daily Newspaper published in Dubai. Al-Bayan belongs to the family of Sheikh Maktoum, the royal family in Dubai.

The writer interviewed a source very close to President Arafat, who said that the Israeli Mossad used Radiation Poisoning to kill President Arafat. The source stated that the prevalent believe in the PA is that President Arafat was victim of a plot to use radiation to poison him. According to the source, his body was affected from a distance between two – three meters for a couple of weeks before his sickness.

The Israeli Zionist Mossad has used the same technical experience which they have successfully used to poison other Arab leader before President Yasser Arafat. We believe that some of his visitors “a foreign journalist or a Palestinian collaborator of the Mossad” has implemented this dirty mission.

The Palestinian source repeated that Khaled Mishal, a political leader of Hamas was poisoned in 1997 by the Israeli Mossad agents, in the same way of poisoning President Arafat. The Jordanian King Hussein forced Israel to bring an antidote after two of the Mossad agents were held in Jordan.

The Palestinian source said that there were signs of poisoning in some of Arafat's medical examination results. These signs were not conclusive because Arafat was poisoned from a distance, this made the effect of the poison on his body very slow.

He repeated, the poisoning of Arafat in his old age, under a terrible siege and in the unhealthy situation in Ramallah headquarters, where the Israeli occupation had jailed him since over three years, all had a negative result on his health, and helped to make his poisoning inconspicuous.

The Palestinians said that the PA officers and French officers discussed about the various cases of Radiation Poisoning murders among Arab personalities. According to the article, Palestinian officers received a report from the Russian Intelligences in which it shows that the U.S. were the first ones to use radiation poisoning to kill Palestinian leader Wadia Hadad and later Algerian President Hawari Abu Midden.

The Americans also used radiation poisoning to kill another Arab President, (they mean Hafez Al-Assad) who was said to have been poisoned from a distance by former U.S Foreign Minster Madeleine Albright. According to the reports, she killed the President during her last meeting with him.

The Palestinians officials of the PA met their French counterparts in Paris, were they discussed the radiation poisoning theory, but the French were not able to help Arafat while the U.S and Tel Aviv are the only ones to have the suitable treatment against this and while the time of giving treatment to Arafat was over. He should have been given treatment during the first 48 hours after he fell in Level 4 Coma.

[.gene.]

The Russians historically have been anti-Israel, even you can't deny that, they were in cahoots with the arab states since the creation of israel, from supplying arms to the arab states to training the arab armies during the wars with Israel, of course they're going to try to speculate this to add fuel to the fire.

[TecHnO JesUs]

80% of Israel's population is Russian Jewish... what are you talking about??

[.gene.]

80% of Israel's population is Russian Jewish... what are you talking about??


Reason for that is because Jews in the former Soviet Union were persecuted that's why the fled to the US & Israel. Ever hear of the Pogroms? Before the fall of communism only people who were allowed to emigrate were Soviet Jews. You're gonna tell me the former USSR had nothing to do w/the 6 day war or the Yom Kippur war?
Please don't comment on a topic you obviously know nothing about.

[TecHnO JesUs]

Russia is neither pro-arab, nor pro-israel you schmuck...

they are out for their own interests

[TecHnO JesUs]

http://english.pravda.ru/printed.html?news_id=14086

yea, russia is an anti-semitic country... lemme hear it now :rolleyes:

[TecHnO JesUs]

http://www.jewishaz.com/jewishnews/020419/threat.shtml

"The president and government are diplomatically neutral, but emotionally pro-Israel. The deciding role is being played by" Russian President Vladimir Putin, "and it seems that Putin is more for Israel," Militarev said."

how many references do you need gene to retract your statement? I'll keep feedin them to you until you're full... say the word

[.gene.]

http://english.pravda.ru/printed.html?news_id=14086

yea, russia is an anti-semitic country... lemme hear it now :rolleyes:


Damn you're ignorant. First off a ll,Pravda which means truth in Russian was a huge anti-semitic publication bordering on on fasism. Secondly Joseph Stalin killed as many Jews as hitler did. Thirdly they only "joined" forces when Russia started having problems with the muslims in Chechnya & they realized they had a common enemy. Prior to the fall down of communism USSR considered Israel an enemy in the cold war. I lived in the former Soviet Union, for 10 years, I know first hand that country's attitude towards Jews.

You're obviously reaching now, spare yourself the embarassment of not knowing what you're talking about even further..
here's an article from 1997 before russia started having issues with the muslims

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Friday June 20, 1997

Anti-Semitism in former USSR harder to spot but still growing

LEV KRICHEVSKY
Jewish Telegraphic Agency

MOSCOW -- Dealing with the situation in the former Soviet Union used to be relatively simple.

Few doubted the discrimination and peril faced by Soviet Jews, and the goal of Jews worldwide was to help as many as possible emigrate.

In the chaos of the post-Soviet days, however, the causes, solutions and even the extent of anti-Semitism in the former USSR are all up for debate.

The Union of Councils for Soviet Jews has just released a report, "Anti-Semitism in the Former Soviet Union, 1995-1997," that it hopes will clarify the issue.

The 250-page report contains chapters on anti-Semitism and human rights abuses in 12 of the former Soviet republics where sizable Jewish populations exist. Lithuania, Estonia and Armenia are excluded.

The report finds that while Jews, in general, now enjoy freedom to emigrate and freedom of religious expression, anti-Semitic acts are still widespread.

Despite official rhetoric, the report maintains, governments in the former Soviet Union fail to combat anti-Semitism effectively; in some cases, they encourage it.

Anti-Semitism and other human rights violations are difficult to prosecute because laws are unevenly enforced, the report notes, adding that the Clinton administration should press governments in the former Soviet Union to budget resources for education and to link trade policy to improved human rights in these areas.

The UCSJ decided to undertake the project, said the group's president, Yosef Abramowitz, because it believed that neither American Jewish leaders nor the U.S. government were taking anti-Semitism in the former Soviet Union "seriously enough."

The group also hopes to pressure Congress to keep refugee slots open for Jews who want to emigrate from the former Soviet Union and to provide evidence for those currently seeking asylum in the United States.

The just-published report documents anti-Semitic and human-rights abuses, describing extremist groups, crimes against individuals, anti-Semitic statements by political leaders, attacks on Jewish communal property and anti-Semitic publications that have arisen during the past few years.

The report quotes one Western expert that "the threat of anti-Semitism in the post-Soviet states is greater today than at many points in the last decade."

Local Jewish activists who are involved in monitoring anti-Semitism, however, differ over the accuracy of the UCSJ's assessment.

"Anti-Semitism still remains the major concern of Russian Jews," said Mark Krasnoselsky, head of the Center for Monitoring Anti-Semitism of the Va'ad, the umbrella group for Jewish organizations in Russia.

According to President Boris Yeltsin's Judicial Chamber on Information Disputes, in Russia alone about 130 periodicals regularly print ultra-nationalist and anti-Semitic articles.

But Alexander Osovtsov, executive vice president of the Russian Jewish Congress, disagreed, saying the situation requires a "more balanced, well-founded approach."

According to Osovtsov, the increased number of anti-Semitic publications does not reflect a rise in anti-Semitism in the former Soviet Union.

"What it does illustrate is the absence of any kind of censorship we used to have over decades."

The lifting of censorship, he said, "resulted in the emergence of openly anti-Semitic newspapers and groups which we didn't have just a few years ago."

Other reports on the situation also appear to contradict the UCSJ report's largely dire tone.

According to the section on Russia in the American Jewish Committee's world report on anti-Semitism, which will be released later this summer: "It is encouraging that the increased number of individuals of Jewish extraction prominent in [Russian] government and commercial circles has not brought about a higher level of popular prejudice."

And while anti-Semitism remains one of the reasons behind Jewish emigration from Russia, a leading Russian Jewish sociologist maintains that "its importance for emigration today is much less than it was just five years ago."

Vladimir Shapiro of the Jewish Research Center, an affiliate of the Russian Academy of Sciences, said an increasing number of Jews are leaving the country to reunite with relatives who left earlier.

Furthermore, public opinion surveys, such as last year's survey of the Russian population by the AJCommittee, said hostility toward Jews in Russia appears to be lower than enmity toward other ethnic groups such as people from the Caucasus.

There are two major reasons for the disagreements on the subject of anti-Semitism.

The first is that, ironically, in some ways it was easier to monitor anti-Semitism in the state-sponsored and controlled USSR than it is in the post-Soviet era.

"The situation is more complex that it might appear on the surface," said Michael Chlenov, president of the Va'ad.

"It's much more difficult to watch 15 countries than it is to watch one bad monolith," agreed the UCSJ's Abramowitz.

The UCSJ report points out, for example, that the situation is particularly perilous in three of the former USSR republics: Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Belarus.

The second reason for disagreement is that the root causes of current anti-Jewish sentiment are up for debate.

For his part, Chlenov said, "I don't think state anti-Semitism is present in any of the post-Soviet countries, while popular prejudices against the Jewish minority have a relatively limited base within society."

The UCSJ report, however, offers examples not only of grassroots anti-Semitism, but also of communities whose local officials have discriminated against Jewish residents.

One such community is the central Russian city of Orel. The communist-dominated administrations of the city and the region are connected to extremist political movements.

Semyon Livshitz, a local Jewish leader, said Jews in Orel fear that "things might change for the worse."

"Given that the present situation in Orel reminds [us] of the recent days of Soviet rule, many Jews are scared of expressing themselves as Jews," Livshitz said.

"The threat to Russian Jews is still there," said Yuri Stern, a former Soviet dissident and now a member of the Israeli Knesset. "Some political forces that can make use of the long-established anti-Semitic tradition are present on the political arena."

[TecHnO JesUs]

The fact you're posting articles from 1997 when we're talking about CURRENT EVENTS means you're a lil dim-witted in this argument...

My thread is about Russia and its current stance... not USSR and past anti-semitic acts...

wow, thats pathetic

[TecHnO JesUs]

I have one word for you regarding this topic... OWNED!

"Years ago, when Russia was Communist, officially atheistic and headed by diehard Stalinists, state-sanctioned discrimination against Jews was commonplace, as was hostility towards the State of Israel.

That’s no longer the case, said Rabbi Berel Lazar, chief rabbi of Russia. Today, community relations with the most senior political leadership are good, the media are generally pro-Israel, and Jews are admired for their achievements, both in becoming “oligarchs” (extremely wealthy businessmen) and in reaching out to help their fellow Russians, Rabbi Lazar said."

http://www.cjnews.com/viewarticle.asp?id=3609

you're killing me now.... 1997? Soviet Union? Stalin? Whats the name of this forum? :floor

[.gene.]

I have one word for you regarding this topic... OWNED!

"Years ago, when Russia was Communist, officially atheistic and headed by diehard Stalinists, state-sanctioned discrimination against Jews was commonplace, as was hostility towards the State of Israel.

That’s no longer the case, said Rabbi Berel Lazar, chief rabbi of Russia. Today, community relations with the most senior political leadership are good, the media are generally pro-Israel, and Jews are admired for their achievements, both in becoming “oligarchs” (extremely wealthy businessmen) and in reaching out to help their fellow Russians, Rabbi Lazar said."

http://www.cjnews.com/viewarticle.asp?id=3609

you're killing me now.... 1997? Soviet Union? Stalin? Whats the name of this forum? :floor


Do you really think the hardliners all of the sudden woke up one day & said "oh ok, we now love the Jews"? C'mon it's the equivalent of the palestinians dressing their kids up as homocide bombers & teaching them hate..it gets passed from generation to generation.....of course now that Russia is trying to join the rest of the world after the fall of communism they're going to play it off like they are a tolerant nation, Rusia was communist not too long ago, those same people who were around them are for the most part around now. I have contact with people still over there & I'm told first hand how the attitude towards Jews over there is as ell as from personal experience, I attended 2 years of state sponsored school over there.

[TecHnO JesUs]

Do you really think the hardliners all of the sudden woke up one day & said "oh ok, we now love the Jews"? C'mon it's the equivalent of the palestinians dressing their kids up as homocide bombers & teaching them hate..it gets passed from generation to generation.....of course now that Russia is trying to join the rest of the world after the fall of communism they're going to play it off like they are a tolerant nation, Rusia was communist not too long ago, those same people who were around them are for the most part around now. I have contact with people still over there & I'm told first hand how the attitude towards Jews over there is as ell as from personal experience, I attended 2 years of state sponsored school over there.

Who said anything about overnight? You made references to Stalin... how long ago was that?

When did communism in the Soviet Union dissolve? How long ago?

1997.. the year of your article.. how long ago?

Can you dispute the three articles I posted? Take a stab at it... I noticed your tone changed a little in this post as opposed to your threats of "embarassing me" or that "im ignorant." The fact that I'm schooling you on whats going on there and I never lived there is making this look even worse...

Now isolated cases of anti-semitism are found everywhere... Anti-islam and anti-arab is far more rampant throughout the world. Look at the board as a classic example...

[TecHnO JesUs]

http://www.ncsj.org/AuxPages/021804JTA.shtml

I can do this all day... but i'll spare you any further embarassment

now like i was saying, Russian reports are circulating of possibility of poisoning. The article originally posted is from a DUTCH source.

[.gene.]

Who said anything about overnight? You made references to Stalin... how long ago was that?

When did communism in the Soviet Union dissolve? How long ago?

1997.. the year of your article.. how long ago?

Can you dispute the three articles I posted? Take a stab at it... I noticed your tone changed a little in this post as opposed to your threats of "embarassing me" or that "im ignorant." The fact that I'm schooling you on whats going on there and I never lived there is making this look even worse...

Now isolated cases of anti-semitism are found everywhere... Anti-islam and anti-arab is far more rampant throughout the world. Look at the board as a classic example...


The reference to Stalin was to illustrate how that country & it's people were always historically anti-semitic, and remain so to this day.
That's why American Jews & Israel Jews lobbies so hard to get the Soviet Jews outta there. You're not schooling anyone, like I stated already I've lived there & know people who still live there, so I know what I'm talking about. Putin/Russia has new "friends" now so of course they're going to try to change their attitudes to make themselves look better.
Don't be sore that "some japanese" tourist as you put it, disclaimed everything you stand for in one simple article, without having to lived there, or having any interest in what's going on there, now that's being OWNED.

You're using a message board as classic example of anti-islam sentiment, lmaooo. That's pretty funny since you rebutted a post a few weeks ago by saying a msg board is not a good indicator when someone asked why do you think most of NCC is republican
That's great, keep reaching....hey maybe if 99.9% of the world's problems didn't come from islam & arabs, then the world may feel different. You reap what you sow...

[.gene.]

http://www.ncsj.org/AuxPages/021804JTA.shtml

I can do this all day... but i'll spare you any further embarassment

now like i was saying, Russian reports are circulating of possibility of poisoning. The article originally posted is from a DUTCH source.


the first sentence in that article states "Russia may not be Israel’s closest ally when it comes to Arab-Israeli relations."...weren't you just saying how they have no interest except their own a few posts ago?

Again, since russia is having their own problems w/islamic terrorists they have to take a totally different position & make new friends in order to fight the same common enemy, damn I'm tired of repeating myself to you.

[drumaboy]

That's great, keep reaching....hey maybe if 99.9% of the world's problems didn't come from islam & arabs, then the world may feel different. You reap what you sow...

:applause :applause :applause

[TecHnO JesUs]

the first sentence in that article states "Russia may not be Israel’s closest ally when it comes to Arab-Israeli relations."...weren't you just saying how they have no interest except their own a few posts ago?

Again, since russia is having their own problems w/islamic terrorists they have to take a totally different position & make new friends in order to fight the same common enemy, damn I'm tired of repeating myself to you.


finish the line you quoted... what does it say?

and what about what the chief rabbi in russia said about jews in russia?

And what is Russia's diplomatic status in regards to Israel.. they try to maintain neutral but emotionally, Putin is leaning more towards pro-Israel. The proof is in the articles you choose to ignore...

selective reading?

[JADORE]

That's great, keep reaching....hey maybe if 99.9% of the world's problems didn't come from islam & arabs, then the world may feel different. You reap what you sow...

This comment alone shows how ignorant you are.....

[TecHnO JesUs]

The reference to Stalin was to illustrate how that country & it's people were always historically anti-semitic, and remain so to this day.
That's why American Jews & Israel Jews lobbies so hard to get the Soviet Jews outta there. You're not schooling anyone, like I stated already I've lived there & know people who still live there, so I know what I'm talking about. Putin/Russia has new "friends" now so of course they're going to try to change their attitudes to make themselves look better.
Don't be sore that "some japanese" tourist as you put it, disclaimed everything you stand for in one simple article, without having to lived there, or having any interest in what's going on there, now that's being OWNED.

You're using a message board as classic example of anti-islam sentiment, lmaooo. That's pretty funny since you rebutted a post a few weeks ago by saying a msg board is not a good indicator when someone asked why do you think most of NCC is republican
That's great, keep reaching....hey maybe if 99.9% of the world's problems didn't come from islam & arabs, then the world may feel different. You reap what you sow...

The fact you live there and state one thing in your posts, but sources from Russia that I just put on here negate what you say, means there's a great disparity in what you portray as reality.... might have something to do with Fort Dodge perhaps?

As for your claims that mass-media is anti-Israel... here's a page written by an ISRAELI regarding how false your statement is...

Owned again..

http://www.americanfreepress.net/08_22_01/Today_s_Media_World_Dominated_/today_s_media_world_dominated_.html

Here's an excerpt:

"It is absolutely forbidden to speak about Jewish atrocities and murders. The Jews are forever victims. It often appears we have three nations in Palestine: Jews, Israelis and Palestinians. Israelis may commit crimes, but it is innocent-always innocent-Jews that are murdered. If you confuse these two words, and refer to a murderer as "a Jew," you will be called an anti-Semite, and probably you will lose your job."

I can do this allll day gene.... allllllll day :floor

[fad3r]

This comment alone shows how ignorant you are.....


Maybe if it didnt seem that most every major problem regarding war, death and insurgents didnt invovle people of the muslim religion people wouldnt feel that way.

Forget israel vs palenstine
Forget about america vs iraq

How about checknya (how quickly we forget those poor school kids that were slaughtered my muslims)

How about india vs pakistan.

The list is quite long and brutal.

[TecHnO JesUs]

Maybe if it didnt seem that most every major problem regarding war, death and insurgents didnt invovle people of the muslim religion people wouldnt feel that way.

Forget israel vs palenstine
Forget about america vs iraq

How about checknya (how quickly we forget those poor school kids that were slaughtered my muslims)

How about india vs pakistan.

The list is quite long and brutal.

Dear leon,

Here's a LONG extensive list of crimes AGAINST islam I think you need to chew on before you open a can of worms...

thanks in advance for reading...

http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/crimes_against_islam/index.htm

[TecHnO JesUs]

And if you're not gonna admit that middle east and Islam is the "hot topic" in today's media, then there's no reason to continue your baseless argument...

Are you aware of any other fighting going on the world that doesn't involve Islam or Arabs? If not, I'll quickly give you a bunch of examples... If you are aware, then you look like a bigger hypocrite by not acknowledging gene's statement as outrageously false

pick your poison (no pun intended)

[fad3r]

Dear leon,

Here's a LONG extensive list of crimes AGAINST islam I think you need to chew on before you open a can of worms...

thanks in advance for reading...

http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/crimes_against_islam/index.htm

But wait Ray, it is not from CNN so by your own standards it CANT be valid.

:disgusted

[TecHnO JesUs]

who advocated cnn anyway? and when did i say CNN is the only valid source? You're pullin shit out of your ass

im using your favorite search engine LOL

[TecHnO JesUs]

call a spade a spade... Israel will always be the victim but when REALITY isnt reported in pro-Israeli media, it will go unnoticed.. lost in the memories of those affected by the tragedies.. or buried deep within the archives of other news sources

nobody is claiming right or wrong or who is more of a victim, but until you recognize and akcnowledge the legitimacy of these incidents (as a SMALL example), then there is no way we can ever reach a compromise...

Here you have a list of the massacres committed by the Zionists:


Escalation of Israeli Massacres in Palestine

What really happened in Jenin?

Jenin Massacre

Jenin Refugee Camp

1990.Oct.08 The Massacre of Al-Aqsa in 1990

1947.Jan.31Baldat Al-Shaikh Massacre

1996.Apr.18Qana Massacre

1948.Oct.26 Houla Massacre

1973.Feb.21 Libyan Boeing 727 Airliner Massacre

1948.Jan.05 The Semiramis Hotel Massacre

1946.Jul.22 The King David Hotel Massacre

1948.Apr.9-10The Massacre of Deir Yassin

1948.Oct.29 The Massacre of Dawayma

1953.Oct.14 The Massacre of Kibya

1956.Oct.29 The Massacre of Kafr Kassem

1982.Sep.16 The Massacres of the Sabra andChatila Palestinian Refugee Camps

List of Arabs Killed by Israelis, 1992-1996

Endless Israeli massacres against Palestinians

Israeli air force's history of massacre

The Tantura Case in Israel

Crimes in Gaza Strip

Alma

Shuhada

Israeli Researcher Uncovers 1948 Bloodbath

Abu Shusha

Al-Wa'ra al-Sawda

Al-Qubayba

Sa'sa

Massacres Committed by the Jews in Palestine...

Inhuman Treatment at Checkpoints

The Massacre of the USS Liberty

Testimony of the Tantura Massacre


http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/massacres/index.htm

[fad3r]

call a spade a spade... Israel will always be the victim but when REALITY isnt reported in pro-Israeli media, it will go unnoticed.. lost in the memories of those affected by the tragedies.. or buried deep within the archives of other news sources

nobody is claiming right or wrong or who is more of a victim, but until you recognize and akcnowledge the legitimacy of these incidents (as a SMALL example), then there is no way we can ever reach a compromise...

Here you have a list of the massacres committed by the Zionists:


Escalation of Israeli Massacres in Palestine

What really happened in Jenin?

Jenin Massacre

Jenin Refugee Camp

1990.Oct.08 The Massacre of Al-Aqsa in 1990

1947.Jan.31Baldat Al-Shaikh Massacre

1996.Apr.18Qana Massacre

1948.Oct.26 Houla Massacre

1973.Feb.21 Libyan Boeing 727 Airliner Massacre

1948.Jan.05 The Semiramis Hotel Massacre

1946.Jul.22 The King David Hotel Massacre

1948.Apr.9-10The Massacre of Deir Yassin

1948.Oct.29 The Massacre of Dawayma

1953.Oct.14 The Massacre of Kibya

1956.Oct.29 The Massacre of Kafr Kassem

1982.Sep.16 The Massacres of the Sabra andChatila Palestinian Refugee Camps

List of Arabs Killed by Israelis, 1992-1996

Endless Israeli massacres against Palestinians

Israeli air force's history of massacre

The Tantura Case in Israel

Crimes in Gaza Strip

Alma

Shuhada

Israeli Researcher Uncovers 1948 Bloodbath

Abu Shusha

Al-Wa'ra al-Sawda

Al-Qubayba

Sa'sa

Massacres Committed by the Jews in Palestine...

Inhuman Treatment at Checkpoints

The Massacre of the USS Liberty

Testimony of the Tantura Massacre


http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/massacres/index.htm


Are we going for point for point again and are you going to whine if I start pulling out pro israeli sites? We can list all the people hamas has killed. It's all good with me just dont be a hypocrite and complain when people start pulling out pro israeli sites.

[TecHnO JesUs]

And if you're not gonna admit that middle east and Islam is the "hot topic" in today's media, then there's no reason to continue your baseless argument...

Are you aware of any other fighting going on the world that doesn't involve Islam or Arabs? If not, I'll quickly give you a bunch of examples... If you are aware, then you look like a bigger hypocrite by not acknowledging gene's statement as outrageously false

pick your poison (no pun intended)

waiting on this one... no answer?

my other list was an education tool for anyone who might not know why the fighting is cyclic in nature... all you ever hear about are israeli casualties.. the article i posted from an israeli journalist even discussed it.. did you bother reading it?

[fad3r]

waiting on this one... no answer?

my other list was an education tool for anyone who might not know why the fighting is cyclic in nature... all you ever hear about are israeli casualties.. the article i posted from an israeli journalist even discussed it.. did you bother reading it?


I actually missed this post. All you ever hear about is israeli casualites? are you kidding me? most people will tell you the media is decidedly ANTI-israeli thus the need places like honesterporting to exist. Have you ever given the site more then a cursory glance if even that???? Of course there is other fighting in the world but I would say the majority the people fighting are muslims. Why this is?

[TecHnO JesUs]

I actually missed this post. All you ever hear about is israeli casualites? are you kidding me? most people will tell you the media is decidedly ANTI-israeli thus the need places like honesterporting to exist. Have you ever given the site more then a cursory glance if even that???? Of course there is other fighting in the world but I would say the majority the people fighting are muslims. Why this is?

Why would an Israeli journalist beg to differ with your opinion? Again I ask.. did you read the article from American Free Press?

http://www.americanfreepress.net/08_22_01/Today_s_Media_World_Dominated_/today_s_media_world_dominated_.html

Today's Media World Dominated by Powerful Pro-Israel Bias

An Israeli journalist points out that the "news" isn't a business; it's a way of keeping the "sheeple" in line with carefully-placed propaganda.

By Israel Shamir

{article is fairly long and I know you wouldnt give it half the attention it deserves so here are a few excerpts by Mr. Shamir}

"I called for the return of the Palestinian refugees and immediately lost my job with Ha'aretz. That is the most liberal Israeli newspaper."

If I kill Ahmad, it would be reported that "Ahmad was killed by an Israeli." But if, God forbid, Ahmad would kill me, you would learn that "a Jew was murdered."

"...an Israeli may kill; but if an Israeli is killed, he turns into a Jew"

"We may not say that the Palestinians have no right to vote; no right to move to other parts of their country and no right to return to their homes in the only country they have ever known."

"In England, there is Conrad Black, he actually owns many papers in Canada, the United States and in Israel. In our country, he owns The Jerusalem Post. When he bought this paper, he dismissed the staff and hired people of his opinions. He is a right-wing Zionist, a zealous supporter of Jewish supremacy."

"But allow us to mention Mortimer Zuck erman, a media lord and the current head of the Presidents' Conference of American Jewish Organi zations, the big daddy of all Jewish groups in America. He is one of the richest men in America...And he is one of the most influential publishers in the United States."

"On the other end of the planet, in Russia, the TV stations and newspapers also are under the ownership of Israeli citizens. One of them, Vladimir Gu sinsky, was forced to part with his TV station. But his extremely pro-Israeli staff was quickly hired by another channel..."

AND SO ON AND SO FORTH... now tell me the media is not Pro-Israeli when its CEO's and owners are... gimme a break

[fad3r]

Why would an Israeli journalist beg to differ with your opinion? Again I ask.. did you read the article from American Free Press?

http://www.americanfreepress.net/08_22_01/Today_s_Media_World_Dominated_/today_s_media_world_dominated_.html

Today's Media World Dominated by Powerful Pro-Israel Bias

An Israeli journalist points out that the "news" isn't a business; it's a way of keeping the "sheeple" in line with carefully-placed propaganda.

By Israel Shamir

{article is fairly long and I know you wouldnt give it half the attention it deserves so here are a few excerpts by Mr. Shamir}

"I called for the return of the Palestinian refugees and immediately lost my job with Ha'aretz. That is the most liberal Israeli newspaper."

If I kill Ahmad, it would be reported that "Ahmad was killed by an Israeli." But if, God forbid, Ahmad would kill me, you would learn that "a Jew was murdered."

"...an Israeli may kill; but if an Israeli is killed, he turns into a Jew"

"We may not say that the Palestinians have no right to vote; no right to move to other parts of their country and no right to return to their homes in the only country they have ever known."

"In England, there is Conrad Black, he actually owns many papers in Canada, the United States and in Israel. In our country, he owns The Jerusalem Post. When he bought this paper, he dismissed the staff and hired people of his opinions. He is a right-wing Zionist, a zealous supporter of Jewish supremacy."

"But allow us to mention Mortimer Zuck erman, a media lord and the current head of the Presidents' Conference of American Jewish Organi zations, the big daddy of all Jewish groups in America. He is one of the richest men in America...And he is one of the most influential publishers in the United States."

"On the other end of the planet, in Russia, the TV stations and newspapers also are under the ownership of Israeli citizens. One of them, Vladimir Gu sinsky, was forced to part with his TV station. But his extremely pro-Israeli staff was quickly hired by another channel..."

AND SO ON AND SO FORTH... now tell me the media is not Pro-Israeli when its CEO's and owners are... gimme a break
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Dude who gives a shit???? One person says that, I dont give a rats ass. I am not going based on one person's opinion and guess what; being pro israeli doesnt get him more credabilitity bud.

Anyway I think you made enough dough off this thread and once again we are back to going nowhere. :jerk

[TecHnO JesUs]

so when your argument is shot down, you say who gives a shit? LOL.. real mature

His article isnt an opinion... he states facts and figures. Names of the media lords and where they publicly voiced their agendas. The Zuckermans and Conrad Black of the world.... These arent opinions.. they are facts

Why cant you ever admit you're WRONG... again. I guess it eats at you doesnt it? :chuckle

Same type of response I got when I shot down your Islam - Religion of Peace post in August. Typical fad3r... tsk tsk

[TecHnO JesUs]

in a game of chess, this would be called, uhh checkmate... yea thats it

[fad3r]

in a game of chess, this would be called, uhh checkmate... yea thats it

Actually I play chess and whenever you want to run one you let me know ;)

Oh and ps last time I checked people could twist facts by using stats. I read your article still dont buy into it but I know your mentality ray you need the last word.

Go ahead and take it baby and thx for the last 2 days you have had me in stitches!

[Jame$ Money]

I think its getting pretty ridiculous now, discussing how Arafat died. I think its gone past the sheer "debating/discussion" phase now and just heading towards a grounds for a "amusement" type argument. First it was homosexuality and/or Aids ... and then it was a poisoning.

It seems were just killing time, i have to agree with what Studz said in another thread, in the simplest form :



So put ur stupid rumors to an end, HE DID NOT DIE OF AIDS AND NEITHER DID HE DIE OF POSINING. MAN WAS OLD, U COULD SEE IN HIS INTERVIEWS THAT HE WAS GONNA DIE ANY MINUTE.


This discussion can surely rage on, but my gut is this is the truth right here.

[TecHnO JesUs]

I think its getting pretty ridiculous now, discussing how Arafat died. I think its gone past the sheer "debating/discussion" phase now and just heading towards a grounds for a "amusement" type argument. First it was homosexuality and/or Aids ... and then it was a poisoning.

It seems were just killing time, i have to agree with what Studz said in another thread, in the simplest form :



This discussion can surely rage on, but my gut is this is the truth right here.

You're most likely right but when I read the tales of AIDS which then quickly translated to him being homosexual (which to me is a form of equating based on the passages Gene posted from israeliinsider), then it became more of a form of bashing rather than speculation. I countered that with a growing support from various parts of the world of the potential for poison, which I think we can all agree, is not far-fetched at all given the history of the Mossad in the past.

The dutch article regarding Russian sources was the latest addition to the growing notion that he MAY have been poisoned. Once again, nobody is claiming anything to be gospel and its all hear/say. Why he cant just be left in peace like you originally said is beyond me. Since his death, there have been more posts and reports of arab disruption and ridicule, than anything else. That speaks volumes... So I dont feel I should be chastised for rebuttals to these ludicrous argumetns, dont ya think?

This thread started off as an innocent addition to an argument i've been brewing for a few days now, then quickly tumbled into Russia's view of Israel which was promptly settled and owned with a few articles and links, then turned over to the media's pro-view of Israel which has been argued in teh past and now settled .. again :rolleyes:

its never ending... and unrelenting. In the end, it all doesnt mean a damn thing anyway other than NCC entertainment :chuckle

[.gene.]

The fact you live there and state one thing in your posts, but sources from Russia that I just put on here negate what you say, means there's a great disparity in what you portray as reality.... might have something to do with Fort Dodge perhaps?

As for your claims that mass-media is anti-Israel... here's a page written by an ISRAELI regarding how false your statement is...

Owned again..

http://www.americanfreepress.net/08_22_01/Today_s_Media_World_Dominated_/today_s_media_world_dominated_.html

Here's an excerpt:

"It is absolutely forbidden to speak about Jewish atrocities and murders. The Jews are forever victims. It often appears we have three nations in Palestine: Jews, Israelis and Palestinians. Israelis may commit crimes, but it is innocent-always innocent-Jews that are murdered. If you confuse these two words, and refer to a murderer as "a Jew," you will be called an anti-Semite, and probably you will lose your job."

I can do this allll day gene.... allllllll day :floor


In regards to people's perception of reality, some people don't see discrimination or bias & shrug it off, others do & speak out against it.
Putin is shadey as hell, whatever's convenient for him to say to appease whoever he's trying to kiss up to at the time he'll say.
Who armed the arab armies? Ever notice the choice of weapons for the terrorists is an AK47 or the Katusha rockets Hizbollah uses, both Soviet designed weapons. Good one about the ft.dodge, that's the second time you tried to use that joke, funny, a tina tweeker using drug references to make jokes, your hypocracy shines through again, but I guess you're an expert in the matter since you were the one injecting ft/dodge into people's asses & bragging about it on JPE, "doctor".

[.gene.]

Maybe if it didnt seem that most every major problem regarding war, death and insurgents didnt invovle people of the muslim religion people wouldnt feel that way.

Forget israel vs palenstine
Forget about america vs iraq

How about checknya (how quickly we forget those poor school kids that were slaughtered my muslims)

How about india vs pakistan.

The list is quite long and brutal.

Not to mention the recent brutal murder of Theo Van Gogh in the Netherlands. List is endless.........

[TecHnO JesUs]

In regards to people's perception of reality, some people don't see discrimination or bias & shrug it off, others do & speak out against it.
Putin is shadey as hell, whatever's convenient for him to say to appease whoever he's trying to kiss up to at the time he'll say.
Who armed the arab armies? Ever notice the choice of weapons for the terrorists is an AK47 or the Katusha rockets Hizbollah uses, both Soviet designed weapons. Good one about the ft.dodge, that's the second time you tried to use that joke, funny, a tina tweeker using drug references to make jokes, your hypocracy shines through again, but I guess you're an expert in the matter since you were the one injecting ft/dodge into people's asses & bragging about it on JPE, "doctor".

soviet designed weaponry has been around since the 1980's... since the days you previously mentioned. Try to keep up with teh times... obviously the weapons that were soviet-issued back then will be around now...

JPE? injecting asses? bragging? who what where? sbarro? please kid... you're not winning any medals with your rebuttals to the topic at hand so your futile and outlandish blatant mudslinging wont get u anywhere either. good try tho champ but my fort dodge post was in reference to something you wrote and stated yourself... once again, i only present FACTS here, not some fiction novel

and its "hypocrisy".. a word you're quite versed in "Mr. I wish Sbarros will be built on Palestinian graves" but i hope there will be peace :rolleyes:


...checkmate.. again

[TecHnO JesUs]

and dear gene my boy, you never commented on Mr. Israel Shamir's expose on the media you report to be so anti-Israel....

what do you offer to the argument? if at all...

[.gene.]

soviet designed weaponry has been around since the 1980's... since the days you previously mentioned. Try to keep up with teh times... obviously the weapons that were soviet-issued back then will be around now...

JPE? injecting asses? bragging? who what where? sbarro? please kid... you're not winning any medals with your rebuttals to the topic at hand so your futile and outlandish blatant mudslinging wont get u anywhere either. good try tho champ but my fort dodge post was in reference to something you wrote and stated yourself... once again, i only present FACTS here, not some fiction novel

and its "hypocrisy".. a word you're quite versed in "Mr. I wish Sbarros will be built on Palestinian graves" but i hope there will be peace :rolleyes:


...checkmate.. again

Hardly mudslining, anyone, if they choose to dig up JPE archives & see for themselves will find what I'm referring to not to mention the FACT that I've been told by people who know you first hand, I only resorted to the "mudslinging" in response to your ft.dodge comment. As for the Sbarros comment you very well know that was in response to the terrorist attack on a Sbarro in Israel as I recall you had posted smiley faces about another homocide bombing shortly after that. What was that word again"Hypoc...." :disgusted

PS Edited not to mix up the FACTS

[.gene.]

and dear gene my boy, you never commented on Mr. Israel Shamir's expose on the media you report to be so anti-Israel....

what do you offer to the argument? if at all...


Israel Shamir is clearly a leftist, his article is hardly fact but mere opinion.

[TecHnO JesUs]

Hardly mudslining, anyone, if they choose to dig up JPE archives & see for themselves will find what I'm referring to not to mention the FACT that I've been told by people who know you first hand, I only resorted to the "mudslinging" in response to your ft.dodge comment. As for the Sbarros comment you very well know that was in response to the terrorist attack on a Sbarro in Israel to which you had posted smiley faces. What was that word again"Hypoc...." :disgusted

interesting concept... go dig them up yourself.. i'd like to see this bragging you mention.

K is mind-altering and disassociative... this explains how you're digging the trench further and further. I simply quoted something you wrote only a week ago and you're urging further mudslinging? can you say 'chip on your shoulder'? lol

let it go... no stars in your future or bells or whistles

[TecHnO JesUs]

Israel Shamir is clearly a leftist, his article is hardly fact but mere opinion.

the names and ownership he reports is fictitious you're saying?

the accounts of workers laid off by the media he reported didnt happen?

tell me you're not saying that... :disgusted thats utter denial...

[fad3r]

the names and ownership he reports is fictitious you're saying?

the accounts of workers laid off by the media he reported didnt happen?

tell me you're not saying that... :disgusted thats utter denial...

You posted smileys after the sbarros sucide bombing?

Can anyone provide a link to that?

[.gene.]

You posted smileys after the sbarros sucide bombing?

Can anyone provide a link to that?

It was on JPE or Deeper around March 2003, let me correct myself it wasn't the Sobarro bombing, it was the one a few weeks after that.

[TecHnO JesUs]

No, it was a point being made to the "drop the nuke and kill all arab" comments that happened during that point in time... I turned the tables and watched the rampant hypocrisy come from gene and others who saw that as the worst thing in teh world to do.... My lesson to them was that it is no different than wishing arabs death and destruction.... It was a lesson in humanity

fad3r, if you werent part of that lesson learned back then, no need to try to instigate and make something out of nothing... it was for demonstration purposes and gene knows that.. he just chooses not to elaborate on it... obviously

[TecHnO JesUs]

It was on JPE or Deeper around March 2003, let me correct myself it wasn't the Sobarro bombing, it was the one a few weeks after that.

im kinda amused how your propaganda has fad3r already believing you... lemmings again

tell him why that was done gene... dont be selective... tell him what that was in response to and what my reason was....

it was nothing more than to prove a point... nowhere near how i feel towards suicide attacks, which ive made it clear over and over again i do not support or condone... so pls spare me the tar and feathers.. your attempts at stirring a rise is becoming increasingly pathetic....

this thread was NOT intended to be drama-filled in any sense

[fad3r]

No, it was a point being made to the "drop the nuke and kill all arab" comments that happened during that point in time... I turned the tables and watched the rampant hypocrisy come from gene and others who saw that as the worst thing in teh world to do.... My lesson to them was that it is no different than wishing arabs death and destruction.... It was a lesson in humanity

fad3r, if you werent part of that lesson learned back then, no need to try to instigate and make something out of nothing... it was for demonstration purposes and gene knows that.. he just chooses not to elaborate on it... obviously

Ray if you think by asking a question and asking for more detail so I can make my own decision as insitgating I dont know what to tell you dude. I guess every question I ask is some form of instigation. Got it, I forgot Ray's rules. No google, nothing but cnn and no questions. I think I got it :hmmm

[TecHnO JesUs]

Ray if you think by asking a question and asking for more detail so I can make my own decision as insitgating I dont know what to tell you dude. I guess every question I ask is some form of instigation. Got it, I forgot Ray's rules. No google, nothing but cnn and no questions. I think I got it :hmmm

you asked the question and i answered it...

and it was spring 2002, not 2003... months and months after the sept bombing in 2001. A lot of lessons were learned that day... a lot!

anyway, im done arguing like school kids.. like James said, this is getting nowhere

[Bekim...]

do you fear the jew claw?

[admin]

Add this to the growing speculation...

http://www.niburu.nl/index.php?showarticle.php?articleID=5324&lang=ENG

Russian Report: Radiation Poisoning Killed Arafat

According to Al-Bayan, the Russian Intelligence gave a report about the history of the U.S and Israel of using Radiation Poisoning to kill Arabs leaders to the PA.

Maher Ibrahim, a Palestinian Journalist from Gaza, wrote in Al-Bayan on 13 November 2004 an article (Arabic) (local copy here) titled “Israeli Radiation Poisoning Killed President Yasser Arafat”. Al-Bayan is a Political Daily Newspaper published in Dubai. Al-Bayan belongs to the family of Sheikh Maktoum, the royal family in Dubai.

The writer interviewed a source very close to President Arafat, who said that the Israeli Mossad used Radiation Poisoning to kill President Arafat. The source stated that the prevalent believe in the PA is that President Arafat was victim of a plot to use radiation to poison him. According to the source, his body was affected from a distance between two – three meters for a couple of weeks before his sickness.

The Israeli Zionist Mossad has used the same technical experience which they have successfully used to poison other Arab leader before President Yasser Arafat. We believe that some of his visitors “a foreign journalist or a Palestinian collaborator of the Mossad” has implemented this dirty mission.

The Palestinian source repeated that Khaled Mishal, a political leader of Hamas was poisoned in 1997 by the Israeli Mossad agents, in the same way of poisoning President Arafat. The Jordanian King Hussein forced Israel to bring an antidote after two of the Mossad agents were held in Jordan.

The Palestinian source said that there were signs of poisoning in some of Arafat's medical examination results. These signs were not conclusive because Arafat was poisoned from a distance, this made the effect of the poison on his body very slow.

He repeated, the poisoning of Arafat in his old age, under a terrible siege and in the unhealthy situation in Ramallah headquarters, where the Israeli occupation had jailed him since over three years, all had a negative result on his health, and helped to make his poisoning inconspicuous.

The Palestinians said that the PA officers and French officers discussed about the various cases of Radiation Poisoning murders among Arab personalities. According to the article, Palestinian officers received a report from the Russian Intelligences in which it shows that the U.S. were the first ones to use radiation poisoning to kill Palestinian leader Wadia Hadad and later Algerian President Hawari Abu Midden.

The Americans also used radiation poisoning to kill another Arab President, (they mean Hafez Al-Assad) who was said to have been poisoned from a distance by former U.S Foreign Minster Madeleine Albright. According to the reports, she killed the President during her last meeting with him.

The Palestinians officials of the PA met their French counterparts in Paris, were they discussed the radiation poisoning theory, but the French were not able to help Arafat while the U.S and Tel Aviv are the only ones to have the suitable treatment against this and while the time of giving treatment to Arafat was over. He should have been given treatment during the first 48 hours after he fell in Level 4 Coma.
If it is a fact, France would release all the records that point to poisoning in a heart beat, but since everything is hush hush about the cause of death I dont think it was poisoning. If this was true aljazeera would have a field day with it.

Plus this today on aljazeera:

Arafat poisoning theory 'ruled out'
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D9670B9E-F7E8-4FE0-AC7F-56FD67FF5280.htm
Doctors who treated Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat believe he died of a blood condition called disseminated intra-vascular coagulation and have ruled
out poisoning.



Quoting "very good sources," France's Le Monde newspaper said on Wednesday that it was internal lesions associated with disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC) which led to the sudden deterioration of Arafat's condition four days after his arrival at a Paris military hospital on 29 October.

On 3 November the Palestinian leader fell into a coma from which he never recovered.

Le Monde quoted doctors as saying that DIC is a condition rather than an actual disease, and can be set off in a person of Arafat's age - 75 - by either an infection or a cancer. However, they had found no indication of either.

"We also worked on the question of poisoning, using sophisticated techniques, before concluding with a negative," it quoted a doctor as saying.

Internal lesions

Le Monde said that "(DIC) is the complete disruption of the mechanisms which normally assure proper blood clotting ... . It can lead to major internal bleeding and possible death."

French medical secrecy laws mean that the report on Arafat's death has been communicated only to his immediate family, resulting in a spate of rumours in the Arab world that he may have been poisoned.

<TABLE borderColor=#111111 cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width=190 align=right bgColor=#f0e3c7 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle width="100%"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>An online medical dictionary describes DIC as a condition under which "blood clotting mechanisms are activated throughout the body instead of being localised to an area of injury.

"Small blood clots form throughout the body, and eventually the blood-clotting factors are used up and not available to form clots at sites of real tissue injury".

Meanwhile, the Spanish daily El Pais published an interview with Arafat's personal doctor Ashraf al-Kurdi, who said that though he did not believe his patient was poisoned, he had considered the possibility.

Arafat's doctor

"All the other pathologies that could have set off Yasir Arafat's symptoms were discounted one after the other," al-Kurdi, a former Jordanian health minister, said.

"If it was a poison, then it must have been strong to kill so quickly. I still don't believe it was that."

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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>The French government spokesman Jean-Francois Cope said that if there had been any suspicion of poisoning, doctors treating Arafat would not have released his body.

"Mr Arafat received the best possible care and all the tests that had to be taken were taken. If the doctors had had any doubt, they would have had recourse to the justice system.

"But I note that the authorisation to dispose of the body was duly issued," he said.

[gp1]

i know this thread is dead, but i'm throwing in my 2 cents. as an orthodox christian, i can tell you that we've related more so with palestine over the years. this includes russia. arafat only wore 3 pins, one of which was the greek flag. the orthodox were always sympathetic to his cause..

[TecHnO JesUs]

http://www.nightclubcity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65139

another case of Mossad posing as a 13 yr old girl




































j/k :chuckle

[stage]

Add this to the growing speculation...

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The Americans also used radiation poisoning to kill another Arab President, (they mean Hafez Al-Assad) who was said to have been poisoned from a distance by former U.S Foreign Minster Madeleine Albright. According to the reports, she killed the President during her last meeting with him.

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LMAO!!! Madeline Albright? This is just plain stupid. The guy was old and he died. That's what happens.