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Deez Nuggets

02-03-2005, 09:57 AM

I agreed to some photo work during the 2nd week of March. I'm in the midst of bulking for the winter like I do every year. I had planned on hitting 215-220 and then shred down spring/summer. The photographer asked that I lean out. Not loose weight, but lean.. basically get into summer mode. This shit throws a major monkey wrench into my mix. :wallbang

Anyway, I've begun to limit carbs to 1st meal and PWO. Drop KCALs to around 23-2500 (70% of my MER) - down from the 4000 range. Gonna keep that protein the same, around 300g a day. Limit my cheat WEEKENDS to just a PARTIAL cheat sunday. Refrain from as much sodium as possible, keep the water intake the same. Also going to adjust my training somewhat - not so much power lifting orientated. Gonna start hitting cardio on my off days on Wednesday and also 1st thing Saturday mornings. Also need to adjust a few other things as well.... :jerk

Dammit...

DEEPER KEMICAL

02-03-2005, 11:06 AM

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=517831

this article might pose some help for you. check it out.

matty k

02-03-2005, 11:35 AM

Get Yourself Some Eq ;)

drrayl

02-03-2005, 11:46 AM

Do coke everyday for three weeks with a cap before bed. RIPPED

Deez Nuggets

02-03-2005, 11:52 AM

Get Yourself Some Eq ;)

Ehh... EQ... id' rather do Var.

I was actually just thinking along the lines of cleaning up the diet, adjusting workouts and adding cardio, lowering the T dosage, and throwing in the winny a little earlier than expected and also add an EC stack... *in that order*... I was CONSIDERING Winny/Primo or Primo/Var but I'll leave that for the summer.

vman

02-03-2005, 12:22 PM

Ehh... EQ... id' rather do Var.

I was actually just thinking along the lines of cleaning up the diet, adjusting workouts and adding cardio
Thats all you need to do. You werent that high on the test dosage anyway, were ya?

Deez Nuggets

02-03-2005, 12:32 PM

Thats all you need to do. You werent that high on the test dosage anyway, were ya?

nah... not really... dbol @ 30mg a day and 600mg T a week.

matty k

02-03-2005, 12:43 PM

nah... not really... dbol @ 30mg a day and 600mg T a week. id def drop the dbol if you want to get lean....that shit just gets me bloated

Deez Nuggets

02-03-2005, 12:47 PM

id def drop the dbol if you want to get lean....that shit just gets me bloated

llol, Well i certainly didn't start it thinking i'd go in the opposite direction after 5 weeks. I'm finishing up my last week this week.

matty k

02-03-2005, 12:48 PM

llol, Well i certainly didn't start it thinking i'd go in the opposite direction after 5 weeks. I'm finishing up my last week this week. yea i hear you....what kind of winny are you going to be doing?

Deez Nuggets

02-03-2005, 12:50 PM

yea i hear you....what kind of winny are you going to be doing?

zambon or UGL

DEEPER KEMICAL

02-03-2005, 12:51 PM

can you guys explain wat "winny" is?

matty k

02-03-2005, 12:53 PM

can you guys explain wat "winny" is? you mean what does winny mean or what is it?

winny=winstrol

matty k

02-03-2005, 12:54 PM

zambon or UGL nice....the only winny i ever took were those bullshit IP 50mg blue tablets which really never did shit for me

DEEPER KEMICAL

02-03-2005, 12:58 PM

winthol...is this anabolic steroid? or what is it?

vman

02-03-2005, 12:59 PM

can you guys explain wat "winny" is?
You better start reading up now because you better get used to this shit. Summer time is coming. :rubhands

We'll guide you through this though.

vman

02-03-2005, 01:00 PM

winthol...is this anabolic steroid? or what is it?Yeah man! You've never heard of winstrol before?

DEEPER KEMICAL

02-03-2005, 01:04 PM

Yeah man! You've never heard of winstrol before?
yea im ashamed. :( im willing to learn tho. i dont follow steroids or whatever. im natural :lifting

Deez Nuggets

02-03-2005, 01:05 PM

nice....the only winny i ever took were those bullshit IP 50mg blue tablets which really never did shit for me

I will never touch ANYTHING from IP, even his Anti-E's. I always hear that he underdoses all of his shit. Nothing is ever consistant.

Deez Nuggets

02-03-2005, 01:05 PM

winthol...is this anabolic steroid? or what is it?

haha.. i wonder if you're full of shit sometimes... lol

Yes winstrol is a steroid.

matty k

02-03-2005, 01:11 PM

I will never touch ANYTHING from IP, even his Anti-E's. I always hear that he underdoses all of his shit. Nothing is ever consistant. id never touch his oils....his winny did nothing and i was taking like 3 a day which technically should have been 150mg :jerk

his clen were pretty good though

dk dont lie we all know youre a closet juicer

DEEPER KEMICAL

02-03-2005, 01:13 PM

lol im embarassed to say it. but i JUST started taking whey protein as a supplement....that was a BIG BIG step for me, let alone taking roids! :D

vman

02-03-2005, 02:03 PM

BTW.......Congratulations on the modeling gig. Whos the photo work for?

Deez Nuggets

02-03-2005, 02:51 PM

BTW.......Congratulations on the modeling gig. Whos the photo work for?

Nah this isn't anything major like that. It's not even paid. It *could* possibly turn into something but this mainly just for a friends photography work. Pretty cool ideas this kid got, He does do a lot of high level model/designer work as well but this is more of a portfolio type of thing. I doubt i'll pursue anything after this, modeling has never really peaked my interest.

matty k

02-03-2005, 02:58 PM

Nah this isn't anything major like that. It's not even paid. It *could* possibly turn into something but this mainly just for a friends photography work. Pretty cool ideas this kid got, He does do a lot of high level model/designer work as well but this is more of a portfolio type of thing. I doubt i'll pursue anything after this, modeling has never really peaked my interest. Have you ever wondered if there was more to life other than being really, really, ridiculously good looking?

Deez Nuggets

02-03-2005, 03:26 PM

Have you ever wondered if there was more to life other than being really, really, ridiculously good looking?

:chuckle

vman

02-03-2005, 04:06 PM

Nah this isn't anything major like that. It's not even paid. It *could* possibly turn into something but this mainly just for a friends photography work. Pretty cool ideas this kid got, He does do a lot of high level model/designer work as well but this is more of a portfolio type of thing. I doubt i'll pursue anything after this, modeling has never really peaked my interest.
It obviously peaked your interest enough to fuck up your cycle.

soberone421

02-03-2005, 06:21 PM

Do it Jack Lalane style I <3 Him eventhough hes like 100

http://j-walkblog.com/blog/images1/jacklalanne.jpg

Blingin

02-03-2005, 11:26 PM

RICKY

02-04-2005, 02:13 AM

Ehh... EQ... id' rather do Var.

I was actually just thinking along the lines of cleaning up the diet, adjusting workouts and adding cardio, lowering the T dosage, and throwing in the winny a little earlier than expected and also add an EC stack... *in that order*... I was CONSIDERING Winny/Primo or Primo/Var but I'll leave that for the summer.

I heard any primo around right now is fake? Guess my source isnt so reliable

Deez Nuggets

02-04-2005, 08:23 AM

It obviously peaked your interest enough to fuck up your cycle.

:yousuck

Deez Nuggets

02-04-2005, 08:24 AM

IP shit is junk, thats y it is 1$ tab....I've been using British Dragon tabs, good shit, great price....since this has deviated to juice, i will add that i cant wait for another 5 days to start with the winny/fina/clen added to my test/eq :rubhands

BD is definitely GREAT stuff. I've done their var before and liked it. Kind of hard to find a regular source unless i go mail order overseas but i'd rather stick to domestic mail order service.

Deez Nuggets

02-04-2005, 08:26 AM

I heard any primo around right now is fake? Guess my source isnt so reliable

Well I know that for awhile and perhaps even now, that most of the Schering Primo that was/is going around is fake. But you can still find a lot of UG labs making it. It's still kind of expensive though depending on your source.

vman

02-04-2005, 09:33 AM

IP shit is junk, thats y it is 1$ tab....I've been using British Dragon tabs, good shit, great price....since this has deviated to juice, i will add that i cant wait for another 5 days to start with the winny/fina/clen added to my test/eq :rubhands
Break that shit down for me. Id love to see the amt and when your doing it. Thats a lot of shit.

Blingin

02-04-2005, 09:36 AM

BD is definitely GREAT stuff. I've done their var before and liked it. Kind of hard to find a regular source unless i go mail order overseas but i'd rather stick to domestic mail order service.

I hear u, lucky for me :rubhands ....i've used their var once b4 and liked it, and will bridge with it this time around, never had a full bridge to next cycle b4

niko

02-04-2005, 09:44 AM

Break that shit down for me. Id love to see the amt and when your doing it. Thats a lot of shit.

not really too much shit.

if oncorporated correctly... that's a GREAT cycle.

vman

02-04-2005, 09:47 AM

not really too much shit.

if oncorporated correctly... that's a GREAT cycle.
I never said too much. I said its a lot. I just wanted to see how he managed it all. Im curious.

BTW....I do think its a little overboard though but that would be me. I dont know him and I dont know what he looks like and what his goals are.

Blingin

02-04-2005, 09:50 AM

Break that shit down for me. Id love to see the amt and when your doing it. Thats a lot of shit.

Ok lemme see if i can get this str8, i started dec first week in deecember and am going for 16 weeks ( a little long, but the WMC starts 3/22 and i culdnt wait to start)

Weeks
1-3 D-bol 50mg/day
3-6 Anadrol 75mgs/day
1-8 Test Enanathate @750mgs
9-16 bumped it up to 1000mgs/wk
1-8 Deca@400mgs
8-12 ish bumped it up to 600mgs/wk
1-6 Fina 75mgs/day
10-16Fina 75mgs/day
Gonna Start the winny soon for 40 days@25mg/day
And started throwin on clen recently 2 weeks/on, 1 off (dropped 5 lbs)
SOunds like a lot but it really isnt, I have a few cycles under my belt and aren't seein same results, thinkin about GH, but don't know shit about it.
Started at about 225, bumped up to 235, and now im about 230....And i will be bridging when i get back from Miami til next cycle over summer With 20mg/day BD Anavar--never have done a full bridge b4....hope this helps

Deez Nuggets

02-04-2005, 09:50 AM

I hear u, lucky for me :rubhands ....i've used their var once b4 and liked it, and will bridge with it this time around, never had a full bridge to next cycle b4

bridging is a waste. If you're gonna come off, come off. If you're going to stay on, then just stay on...

no need in bridging... i speak this from experience.

Blingin

02-04-2005, 09:54 AM

bridging is a waste. If you're gonna come off, come off. If you're going to stay on, then just stay on....

no need in bridging... i speak this from experience
U bridged with 'Var, or test....i know people that bridge with test, but i really dotn wanna be on test that long....I got good results with 'Var for a month or so after cycle, i really dont want to come off completely either. Do u think its a waste cuz of $$. or u ur body doesnt hold the gains?

vman

02-04-2005, 09:58 AM

Deez Nuggets

02-04-2005, 09:58 AM

Ok lemme see if i can get this str8, i started dec first week in deecember and am going for 16 weeks ( a little long, but the WMC starts 3/22 and i culdnt wait to start)

Weeks
1-3 D-bol 50mg/day
3-6 Anadrol 75mgs/day
1-8 Test Enanathate @750mgs
9-16 bumped it up to 1000mgs/wk
1-8 Deca@400mgs
8-12 ish bumped it up to 600mgs/wk
1-6 Fina 75mgs/day
10-16Fina 75mgs/day
Gonna Start the winny soon for 40 days@25mg/day
And started throwin on clen recently 2 weeks/on, 1 off (dropped 5 lbs)
SOunds like a lot but it really isnt, I have a few cycles under my belt and aren't seein same results, thinkin about GH, but don't know shit about it.
Started at about 225, bumped up to 235, and now im about 230....And i will be bridging when i get back from Miami til next cycle over summer With 20mg/day BD Anavar--never have done a full bridge b4....hope this helps

How many cycles have you done? How long do you take off inbetween cycles? Curious as to why you say "aren't seeing the same results". What's your experience? Have you ever used that many compounds before? From my own experience, 2-3 compounds works just as good as 4 or more. Now everyone responds different so i'll leave it at that but I know for me, 2-3 compounds are fine. The gains might be a little more with more gear but so are the sides. Not to mention easier on the wallet. Also, why the bump up in dosage? I would highly recommend just one consistent dosage throughout. No need to go up and down, keep those blood levels stable, thats what the body likes - not flux. What are you planning on PCT? Fina at the end of a heavy cycle like will make recovery a lot harder. I personally would never run Deca and Fina in the same cycle, Progesterone induced Gyno is only treated with surgery.

niko

02-04-2005, 09:59 AM

Ok lemme see if i can get this str8, i started dec first week in deecember and am going for 16 weeks ( a little long, but the WMC starts 3/22 and i culdnt wait to start)

Weeks
1-3 D-bol 50mg/day
3-6 Anadrol 75mgs/day
1-8 Test Enanathate @750mgs
9-16 bumped it up to 1000mgs/wk
1-8 Deca@400mgs
8-12 ish bumped it up to 600mgs/wk
1-6 Fina 75mgs/day
10-16Fina 75mgs/day
Gonna Start the winny soon for 40 days@25mg/day
And started throwin on clen recently 2 weeks/on, 1 off (dropped 5 lbs)
SOunds like a lot but it really isnt, I have a few cycles under my belt and aren't seein same results, thinkin about GH, but don't know shit about it.
Started at about 225, bumped up to 235, and now im about 230....And i will be bridging when i get back from Miami til next cycle over summer With 20mg/day BD Anavar--never have done a full bridge b4....hope this helps

you're doing the fina for 12 weeks i see.... I mean 6-8 weeks is fine per cycle... but by the time you get to week 10-16... your receptors will be shot. JMO

I never tapered up... I always start high and taper down. Works real well for me, But i don get thre reasoning by tapering up.

everyones body is diff. so maybe yours can take more dosages... Just an observation.

other than aht.... looks real good. I would have added some GH to that mix also.

Deez Nuggets

02-04-2005, 09:59 AM

no need in bridging... i speak this from experience
U bridged with 'Var, or test....i know people that bridge with test, but i really dotn wanna be on test that long....I got good results with 'Var for a month or so after cycle, i really dont want to come off completely either. Do u think its a waste cuz of $$. or u ur body doesnt hold the gains?

I've bridged with Var and i've also bridged with primo....

Blingin

02-04-2005, 10:02 AM

That looks good. I still think its a lot but it def. looks solid. You know you, and thats all that matters. Wheres the EQ? Good luck with that though and keep us updated.

I also agree with DN. Bridging to me seems shitty. I dont know why you wouldnt want to come off. I am not talking from experience though, Im just going on what i've read.

Well actaully i forgot to add in that i was splitting with with a 2/3 EQ/DEca ratio for weeks 8-12, I only did this though bc it is what i had on hand, besides Winny/EQ are both harsh on the joints, the deca will lube....u mean not coming off test at all? instead of bridging? i would be scared to do that and wuldnmt want to permanently damage anything

Blingin

02-04-2005, 10:11 AM

How many cycles have you done? How long do you take off inbetween cycles? Curious as to why you say "aren't seeing the same results". What's your experience? Have you ever used that many compounds before? From my own experience, 2-3 compounds works just as good as 4 or more. Now everyone responds different so i'll leave it at that but I know for me, 2-3 compounds are fine. The gains might be a little more with more gear but so are the sides. Not to mention easier on the wallet. Also, why the bump up in dosage? I would highly recommend just one consistent dosage throughout. No need to go up and down, keep those blood levels stable, thats what the body likes - not flux. What are you planning on PCT? Fina at the end of a heavy cycle like will make recovery a lot harder. I personally would never run Deca and Fina in the same cycle, Progesterone induced Gyno is only treated with surgery.

I have done 4 'real cycles' (b4 i didnt know wut i was doing) Over the summer i did a similar cycle and then took off sept, oct, nov....Maybe i am seeing similar results and its all in my head, its hard to look at urself an notice, plus when i took the winny over summer i noticed a big difference....maybe i will go liter, i mean rite now im just on deca/test....i mean thank god i have never experienced any bad sides that i know of, and $$ aint a big deal when other people turn to u, lol, plus if u have the rite sources...i bumped it up bc people on bodybuilding boards said its a long cycle and gains wuld prolly stop if i didnt bump it up a lil....PCT, used clomid mid-cycle for 5 days, and will go for 3 weeks at 100mg/day, then lowering to 50mg/day....I am not prone to gyno but use liquidex when if i feel anything....can u get 'gyno' if it ssomehting u dont notice/feel.

Deez Nuggets

02-04-2005, 10:15 AM

Well actaully i forgot to add in that i was splitting with with a 2/3 EQ/DEca ratio for weeks 8-12, I only did this though bc it is what i had on hand, besides Winny/EQ are both harsh on the joints, the deca will lube....u mean not coming off test at all? instead of bridging? i would be scared to do that and wuldnmt want to permanently damage anything

Personally, i'd go with EQ over Deca anyday. The bloat associated with Deca is too much for me. EQ is lean quality gains and I think it actually fits in with your cycle nicely. I don't know where read EQ was hard on the joints either.

Bro, just come off the cycle completely, after something so heavy like you are doing you're going to be riding into another cycle still shut down and saturated... Come off for the same amount of time you've been on.

Run HCG 500ius twice a week for the life of your cycle and cut if off a week before you start the clomid. Cut the fina out at the end of the cycle too and run something like a prop instead for 4-5 weeks. After your last inject of prop, start Clomid 100mg 100mg 50mg 25mg.

Deez Nuggets

02-04-2005, 10:21 AM

I have done 4 'real cycles' (b4 i didnt know wut i was doing) Over the summer i did a similar cycle and then took off sept, oct, nov....Maybe i am seeing similar results and its all in my head, its hard to look at urself an notice, plus when i took the winny over summer i noticed a big difference....maybe i will go liter, i mean rite now im just on deca/test....i mean thank god i have never experienced any bad sides that i know of, and $$ aint a big deal when other people turn to u, lol, plus if u have the rite sources...i bumped it up bc people on bodybuilding boards said its a long cycle and gains wuld prolly stop if i didnt bump it up a lil....PCT, used clomid mid-cycle for 5 days, and will go for 3 weeks at 100mg/day, then lowering to 50mg/day....I am not prone to gyno but use liquidex when if i feel anything....can u get 'gyno' if it ssomehting u dont notice/feel.

I hear you on the gains, but if you're keeping a log of your excersises as well as your weight, bf%, and even measurements then you'll know that you're responding to dosages. Stick to 3 o4 maybe 4 compounds if you want. Keep the levels stable and as for diet, training, resting.... yad yada ... you know the rest...

Clomid mid cycle is a no-no. Absolutely no need for that and I would high advocate against using it. You can use HCG mid cycle to keep your testicles in check. Keep the clomid post cycle.

Run the Clomid like this
Wk 1 100mg ED
Wk 2 100mg ED
Wk 3 50mg ED
Wk 4 25mg ED

Inregards to physical proof of recovery, this routine has been proven the best.

Blingin

02-04-2005, 10:23 AM

Personally, i'd go with EQ over Deca anyday. The bloat associated with Deca is too much for me. EQ is lean quality gains and I think it actually fits in with your cycle nicely. I don't know where read EQ was hard on the joints either.

Bro, just come off the cycle completely, after something so heavy like you are doing you're going to be riding into another cycle still shut down and saturated... Come off for the same amount of time you've been on.

Run HCG 500ius twice a week for the life of your cycle and cut if off a week before you start the clomid. Cut the fina out at the end of the cycle too and run something like a prop instead for 4-5 weeks. After your last inject of prop, start Clomid 100mg 100mg 50mg 25mg.

Thanks bro, maybe I won't use the fina again....Still not sure about the bridging/coming off, after summer i came off completely

Deez Nuggets

02-04-2005, 10:27 AM

Thanks bro, maybe I won't use the fina again....Still not sure about the bridging/coming off, after summer i came off completely

No doubt, as for the bridging... another reason why I just think it's a waste is because think about it. 10-20mg of var after a cycle you were on is doing NOTHING for you all it's doing is extending you being shut down. I mean I guess you'll learn for yourself (which isn't really a bad thing) but I just thought i'd lend you advice based on personal experience.

Good luck regardless kid.... keep us posted.