who came first?

[woo]

the devil? :evil
or
the angel? :angel

[apd789]

The angel. I believe everything is pure/good until it is corrupted

[woo]

maybe it takes a "sinful" animal to build a world of chaos... and "good" has to come and give it a conscience?

[apd789]

You know what, I don't think neither is actually proven, if I'm not mistaken. In my PSYCH class, I remember learning about some guy who believed everyone was born good and if never exposed to evil, they will remain that way and another guy who argued that saying people required discipline from a very young age and need to be taught what is right and what is wrong because by nature, we are born to destruct.

[woo]

it's a question of faith and how u see it.
there is no right or wrong answer here because no one knows...
we just believe ;)

[apd789]

Ah, who the fuck knows. Definatly not a question for me to ponder at 3 fucking 30 in the morning .. lol

[Droppin$$]

The angel came first obviously .......... but everyones gotta little devil in em

[Automatic45]

i'm not a religious person at all, but

The devil was a jealous angel who chose war on god, rather than a life of servitude

[Eck739]

i'm not a religious person at all, but

The devil was a jealous angel who chose war on god, rather than a life of servitude

Exactly..I am not either but according to the bible......The "devil" was the most beautiful angel of them all until he became jealous and was cast out of heaven.....hence the "devil" was "born"

[J. Martin]

the angel

[woo]

Ah, who the fuck knows. Definatly not a question for me to ponder at 3 fucking 30 in the morning .. lol

it's still fun to think about... more fun than the chicken and the egg :keke

[woo]

why did the angel come first tho? i am apt to believe that as well...
but then the more i search.. the more i realize that biblical scripture came later...
there was something before that. and the beliefs before judao-christianity were cast as evil.

such as polygamy... and group sex.

if this came before bible writings, then why are we taught that it is sinful? if good came first?

[J. Martin]

according to biblical history, lucifer was was an angel outcast from heaven. SO the angel came first. I just go by that because of faith :)

[woo]

guys the bible represents like 0.0000000000001% of ancient writings

[woo]

according to biblical history, lucifer was was an angel outcast from heaven. SO the angel came first. I just go by that because of faith :)

i believe this as well, it's just i ran into a buncha ancient readings/writings/archaeological discoveries dating back to Babylonia and my faith is being question these days :hmmm

[DJ Melissa Nikita]

The angel. I believe everything is pure/good until it is corrupted

well said and agreed
and biblically speaking, thats how it did in fact go.

[woo]

back in the beginning of humanity... didn't man and woman have to fuck all the time to get the species going?
according to many scriptures, isn't that sinful behavior?
sin came first?

if we r born with original sin... then how is good first?

[woo]

and dont tell me adam and eve were the reasons for original sin. if u know the bible u know that story is a total metaphor!

[J. Martin]

i believe this as well, it's just i ran into a buncha ancient readings/writings/archaeological discoveries dating back to Babylonia and my faith is being question these days :hmmm


Faith will always be questioned. I didn't look it up or anything, but I've always defined faith as believing in something without needing proof. Any ancient discoveries and their meaning are subject to the person who found them, and can never be proved to be undeniably true.

[woo]

You know what, I don't think neither is actually proven, if I'm not mistaken. In my PSYCH class, I remember learning about some guy who believed everyone was born good and if never exposed to evil, they will remain that way and another guy who argued that saying people required discipline from a very young age and need to be taught what is right and what is wrong because by nature, we are born to destruct.

the last line in ur statement is why i sometimes see "evil" as first

now judao-christian tells us this is sin. our nature is evil?

we have to STRUGGLE to get the good in this world... costs a ton of dough.

if it wer here first... it would be better implanted in this world.

unless evil came after good and it prevailing? who would admit that?

[DeeDee2143]

You know what, I don't think neither is actually proven, if I'm not mistaken. In my PSYCH class, I remember learning about some guy who believed everyone was born good and if never exposed to evil, they will remain that way and another guy who argued that saying people required discipline from a very young age and need to be taught what is right and what is wrong because by nature, we are born to destruct.
two philosophers said that, one said all peopel were born good and help the world where the other compared people to a disease saying we are destroying the world. its gonna kill me now bc i cant REMEMBERRRR who those 2 guys are. hobbes might b one.... i think im wrong though

[woo]

meanwhile if we lived in evil "nature"... we would have a more peaceful world...

[woo]

two philosophers said that, one said all peopel were born good and help the world where the other compared people to a disease saying we are destroying the world. its gonna kill me now bc i cant REMEMBERRRR who those 2 guys are. hobbes might b one.... i think im wrong though

i would love to read it

[DeeDee2143]

i know my sister remembers, she always remembers shit like this. i will find out and i will post it lol

[woo]

Faith will always be questioned. I didn't look it up or anything, but I've always defined faith as believing in something without needing proof. Any ancient discoveries and their meaning are subject to the person who found them, and can never be proved to be undeniably true.

same goes for scripture

a politician put together the bible

[woo]

i know my sister remembers, she always remembers shit like this. i will find out and i will post it lol

please do

[mikey77]

the angel

[woo]

Faith will always be questioned. I didn't look it up or anything, but I've always defined faith as believing in something without needing proof. Any ancient discoveries and their meaning are subject to the person who found them, and can never be proved to be undeniably true.


faith isn't fact. no religion is fact that's y it's called "faith"

it's all written by man. and many writings are proven to be real bc they represent civilizations.
ther eis a world that occurred b4 the bible and its all in the history books

[DEEPER KEMICAL]

The actual name "Devil" was applied to Lucifer when early theologians identified him with the falling star in the passage from Isaiah, hence how Satan and Lucifer started to become interchangeable. We must point out here that writers of that time, did not know of fallen angels yet, through some passages point to the behavior of angels as less than "holly" from time to time throughout the Old Testament.

[DEEPER KEMICAL]

the bible is belived to be the first book ever written.

[DeeDee2143]

the bible is belived to be the first book ever written.
:suspicion

what?!

[J. Martin]

same goes for scripture

a politician put together the bible


true. I don't buy into everything in my religion, but I don't think you have to in order to be deeply religious.

[woo]

the bible is belived to be the first book ever written.

its a bunch of books put together.


its only what was chosen to be included.... much of ancient writings are left out


semiticism started in later ages of mesoptamia.... b4 the concept that god was imminent (all around us at all times) there was polygamy (many diff gods)

just look at egyptian relics. mosopotamia/persia is a world of its own.u can go to stonehedge in GB which is way older than any semitic/christian existence and they had their pagan worship.
pagan is considered evil by the vatican.

[DeeDee2143]

people need answers in life. no one likes uncertainty. thats how the story of creation came about. if religious figured, who were regarded so highly back int he day, said that the world wzs created in 7 or 9 days (however long it was) then people just believed it because it gives an answer to the unexplainable questions. its like having a peace of mind or whatever. does that make ne sence?

[woo]

true. I don't buy into everything in my religion, but I don't think you have to in order to be deeply religious.


nooo of course not. i read the bible habitually. i think its not long enogh actually... thats y i look into more writings from the anceint past and ud be surprised ther eis so much beautiful peces pple wrote which is full of strength.

the bible to me is a handbook ... but i get into a lot of faiths. "religion" ... that word is a diff can of worms. but let's just say im more of a humanist.
i just take everything as human work and find the link... my individual faith per say ;)

[J. Martin]

people need answers in life. no one likes uncertainty. thats how the story of creation came about. if religious figured, who were regarded so highly back int he day, said that the world wzs created in 7 or 9 days (however long it was) then people just believed it because it gives an answer to the unexplainable questions. its like having a peace of mind or whatever. does that make ne sence?


makes perfect sense. faith provides people with answers without having to backed with scientific data. May provide more peace of mind than than factual truth, but hey, it's religion, not history class

[woo]

people need answers in life. no one likes uncertainty. thats how the story of creation came about. if religious figured, who were regarded so highly back int he day, said that the world wzs created in 7 or 9 days (however long it was) then people just believed it because it gives an answer to the unexplainable questions. its like having a peace of mind or whatever. does that make ne sence?

when whatever genius wrote the story of creation, pple adopted it culturally. they spoke about these stories until it was eventually written down.
b4 that they had their political codes of hammurabi and epics of gilgamesh to go by.

there are so many diff faiths... they all try to explain. pple make the mistake thinking that they can easily accept it as truth and not find the faith in it.

then ur ealize that the definition of faith doesnt make something true.



i dont want answers really... i like to expose myself to more philosophies and i find the connection in ALL of it and keep it what it is... human.

[DeeDee2143]

makes perfect sense. faith provides people with answers without having to backed with scientific data. May provide more peace of mind than than factual truth, but hey, it's religion, not history class
religion = sanity

if u keep thinking about the fact that when u die you might not be goign newhere, that might just be the end of the line.... it will make ya go CrAzY

[woo]

id get tossed out of my church for this... i think i am blaspheming

[J. Martin]

religion = sanity

if u keep thinking about the fact that when u die you might not be goign newhere, that might just be the end of the line.... it will make ya go CrAzY


exactly, without religionor more specifically faith, life could be considered nothing more than waiting to die . that's no good

[woo]

religion = sanity

if u keep thinking about the fact that when u die you might not be goign newhere, that might just be the end of the line.... it will make ya go CrAzY not if u believe in reincarnation.. i partly believe that my energies will be dispersed whenever in the world and another livng object.. may it be a flower or a weed... will use a part of me to grow in its life cycle.

so how am i dead? i can rot and all but that dust isn't really dead...
biology tells me that my body parts make a useful fertilizer... or lunch for a coyote :chuckle


i dont fear death. i concluded tha ti can live dying, or die living.

i chose to die living.

[woo]

exactly, without religionor more specifically faith, life could be considered nothing more than waiting to die . that's no good

or it can be "growing" or "maturing"
or the evil human characteristic of "survival" :evil

[woo]

religion= insanity

too much political bloodshed over it

[DeeDee2143]

not if u believe in reincarnation.. i partly believe that my energies will be dispersed whenever in the world and another livng object.. may it be a flower or a weed... will use a part of me to grow in its life cycle.

so how am i dead? i can rot and all but that dust isn't really dead...
biology tells me that my body parts make a useful fertilizer... or lunch for a coyote :chuckle


i dont fear death. i concluded tha ti can live dying, or die living.

i chose to die living.
i used to think that when u died nothing happened. thats it. the end. no white light.

then my friend died and i went nuts.

i dont think about it nemore.

[woo]

i used to think that when u died nothing happened. thats it. the end. no white light.

then my friend died and i went nuts.

i dont think about it nemore.

i was resussitated once years ago.
i learned that...
u feel no pain when u die. ur body literally feels nada. like paralysis.
it's quite peaceful.

every SINGLE day i wake up i remember that feeling of numbness. i realize i am far from it now so...
i keep living eh?

[woo]

i feel body vibrations disperse thru the environment at death. thats what i experienced...
and ur apt to grab onto the things u have revolved ur life around.

so no1 really "dies" they just change forms

i gotta stop b4 the feds come knocking at my door hahha

[apd789]

religion = sanity



I think it was Karl Marx who said - religion is the opium of the people
Pretty self-explanatory there, I think.

[woo]

I think it was Karl Marx who said - religion is the opium of the people
Pretty self-explanatory there, I think.

karl marx... even what he wrote was warped into communism

[apd789]

karl marx... even what he wrote was warped into communism

:agree

[DeeDee2143]

ok im pretty sure those two guys i was talking about before are John Locke and something Hobbes

[apd789]

ok im pretty sure those two guys i was talking about before are John Locke and something Hobbes
can't confirm. Im not diggging for my old text book right now. lol

[woo]

ok im pretty sure those two guys i was talking about before are John Locke and something Hobbes

this sounds familiar... the names at least but im gunna run a search right now

thanQ :heart

[woo]

i found this chart.. no need to dig thru any texts

holla @ the internet :type
http://jim.com/hobbes.htm