DEEPER KEMICAL
03-22-2005, 10:59 AM
now that america is gettin fatter and big fast food chains are gettin richier, do you think its the peoples fault for over eating, or the chains for producing such fatty foods?
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TheHipHopBillGates
03-22-2005, 11:03 AM
This is a chicken and the egg type of question. But I have to say that if the demand wasn't there then the product wouldn't be supplied.
TecHnO JesUs
03-22-2005, 11:17 AM
u cant really blame alcohol for causing alcoholism... its the person
vman
03-22-2005, 11:42 AM
now that america is gettin fatter and big fast food chains are gettin richier, do you think its the peoples fault for over eating, or the chains for producing such fatty foods?
If anyone in this thread says that its the products fault then ill show you a weak and fat person.
I cant believe Im even responding to this but of course its the persons fault. Nobody is forcing the food down there throat.
If anyone in this thread says that its the products fault then ill show you a weak and fat person.
I cant believe Im even responding to this but of course its the persons fault. Nobody is forcing the food down there throat.
DEEPER KEMICAL
03-22-2005, 11:44 AM
well i agree its the persons fault, but why is it okie for lawsuits to be filed against mcdonalds because some fat people ate mcdonalds 3-4 times a day and became over weight.
TecHnO JesUs
03-22-2005, 11:47 AM
its the same judicial system which allows negligent ppl to spill coffee on themselves and sue for it being too hot... what can i tell ya
vman
03-22-2005, 11:48 AM
well i agree its the persons fault, but why is it okie for lawsuits to be filed against mcdonalds because some fat people ate mcdonalds 3-4 times a day and became over weight.
It isnt. Thats my point. I think its a joke.
It isnt. Thats my point. I think its a joke.
DEEPER KEMICAL
03-22-2005, 11:50 AM
its a buncha bullshit if you ask me. thats like ME taking 25 advils for a headache and suing advil for me almost overdosing! its so obsurd! http://nightclubcity.com/forum/images/smilies/rage.gif
xxdcmast
03-22-2005, 11:59 AM
Yea its definitely the persons choice as to what they eat, but I think its also the whole shift in lifestyle over the past decades. In the past people would cook a dinner at home almost all of the time, now it seems that more people are just grabbing whatever they can and eating it. Its up to you to make the consciencous decision wether or not you are going to eat anything and get fat or plan ahead and actually make meals that are healthy and in the long run will make you fell better. Most people choose the first option just grabbing whatever they can whenever they can and cheap and fast food is not good food.
sexxncandie
03-22-2005, 12:23 PM
It's 100% the person's fault in my opinion... i don't believe in censorship beyond reason..like when people blame guns for murders instead of murderers... no reason to blame the food chains, plenty of people practice self-control even with all the temptation out there...
TheHipHopBillGates
03-22-2005, 12:37 PM
Yea its definitely the persons choice as to what they eat, but I think its also the whole shift in lifestyle over the past decades. In the past people would cook a dinner at home almost all of the time, now it seems that more people are just grabbing whatever they can and eating it. Its up to you to make the consciencous decision wether or not you are going to eat anything and get fat or plan ahead and actually make meals that are healthy and in the long run will make you fell better. Most people choose the first option just grabbing whatever they can whenever they can and cheap and fast food is not good food.
time is money, that's why there are so many lo-carb products these days. That 1/2 hour your spending making a meal you couple be running or rollerblading, etc.....
time is money, that's why there are so many lo-carb products these days. That 1/2 hour your spending making a meal you couple be running or rollerblading, etc.....
matty k
03-22-2005, 12:50 PM
100% the persons fault
i cant even believe youd question it......just because lawsuits are filed that doesnt mean anything....you can sue anyone for anything
i cant even believe youd question it......just because lawsuits are filed that doesnt mean anything....you can sue anyone for anything
DEEPER KEMICAL
03-22-2005, 01:36 PM
100% the persons fault
i cant even believe youd question it......just because lawsuits are filed that doesnt mean anything....you can sue anyone for anything
i wasnt questioning it matty. i just wanted to start a board discussion where everyone chimed in. i guess i chose the wrong topic
u all suck :grumpy
i cant even believe youd question it......just because lawsuits are filed that doesnt mean anything....you can sue anyone for anything
i wasnt questioning it matty. i just wanted to start a board discussion where everyone chimed in. i guess i chose the wrong topic
u all suck :grumpy
soberone421
03-22-2005, 01:52 PM
I used to be fat, and it is sooooooooooo was my fault lol
matty k
03-22-2005, 01:55 PM
i wasnt questioning it matty. i just wanted to start a board discussion where everyone chimed in. i guess i chose the wrong topic
u all suck :grumpywe do suck.
:fawkdance
u all suck :grumpywe do suck.
:fawkdance
FoxyGirlyy
03-22-2005, 02:26 PM
It's the persons fault. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that eating mcdonald's for 3 meals a day is gonna make u gain weight but besides that it's soo unhealthy. People today just can't take responsibilty for their own actions, the thing to do is to blaime it on someone else.
joeyjoey
03-22-2005, 02:27 PM
I'm bored so I'll play devil's advocate. I've read a few books on this topic and took the professor's class that was in Supersize Me, so I know a thing or two...
Looking at it from an individual perspective, it is our fault, but looking at it from a societal perspective it isn't totally our fault. As kids we are marketed junk food left and right, leaving us to desire McDonald's happy meals and frown upon home cooked meals. We're manipulated into eating this garbage before we're even capable of making our own desicions. It wouldn't be like that if these companies weren't allowed to advertise to children. Also, many people (mostly from low SES) really aren't aware that this food is bad for you. The FDA can step in and ban any supplement under the sun, but no one intervenes and puts warnings on Big Mac wrappers.
Looking at it from an individual perspective, it is our fault, but looking at it from a societal perspective it isn't totally our fault. As kids we are marketed junk food left and right, leaving us to desire McDonald's happy meals and frown upon home cooked meals. We're manipulated into eating this garbage before we're even capable of making our own desicions. It wouldn't be like that if these companies weren't allowed to advertise to children. Also, many people (mostly from low SES) really aren't aware that this food is bad for you. The FDA can step in and ban any supplement under the sun, but no one intervenes and puts warnings on Big Mac wrappers.
matty k
03-22-2005, 02:33 PM
we do suck.
:fawkdance :grumpy
:fawkdance :grumpy
DEEPER KEMICAL
03-22-2005, 02:40 PM
:grumpy
:moon
:moon
TheHipHopBillGates
03-22-2005, 02:44 PM
I'm bored so I'll play devil's advocate. I've read a few books on this topic and took the professor's class that was in Supersize Me, so I know a thing or two...
Looking at it from an individual perspective, it is our fault, but looking at it from a societal perspective it isn't totally our fault. As kids we are marketed junk food left and right, leaving us to desire McDonald's happy meals and frown upon home cooked meals. We're manipulated into eating this garbage before we're even capable of making our own desicions. It wouldn't be like that if these companies weren't allowed to advertise to children. Also, many people (mostly from low SES) really aren't aware that this food is bad for you. The FDA can step in and ban any supplement under the sun, but no one intervenes and puts warnings on Big Mac wrappers.
And because of this they now are changing the foods that the sell in school cafeteria's and what they can market to children. Any corporatations like mcdonalds have more $$ to throw at legislation then supplement companies.
Looking at it from an individual perspective, it is our fault, but looking at it from a societal perspective it isn't totally our fault. As kids we are marketed junk food left and right, leaving us to desire McDonald's happy meals and frown upon home cooked meals. We're manipulated into eating this garbage before we're even capable of making our own desicions. It wouldn't be like that if these companies weren't allowed to advertise to children. Also, many people (mostly from low SES) really aren't aware that this food is bad for you. The FDA can step in and ban any supplement under the sun, but no one intervenes and puts warnings on Big Mac wrappers.
And because of this they now are changing the foods that the sell in school cafeteria's and what they can market to children. Any corporatations like mcdonalds have more $$ to throw at legislation then supplement companies.
xxdcmast
03-22-2005, 03:12 PM
And because of this they now are changing the foods that the sell in school cafeteria's and what they can market to children. Any corporatations like mcdonalds have more $$ to throw at legislation then supplement companies.
Thats exactly it, the fast food companies have basically unlimited monetary resources it would take years and lots of government red tape to even make a dent in their practices. Once a corporation has enough money its basically impossible to shut them down. Look at the cigarette companies EVERYONE knows how bad they are for people and the government cant do shit about it, but if it was a smaller produce you better believe it would be 86'd faster than you could believe
Thats exactly it, the fast food companies have basically unlimited monetary resources it would take years and lots of government red tape to even make a dent in their practices. Once a corporation has enough money its basically impossible to shut them down. Look at the cigarette companies EVERYONE knows how bad they are for people and the government cant do shit about it, but if it was a smaller produce you better believe it would be 86'd faster than you could believe
joeyjoey
03-22-2005, 03:19 PM
Thats exactly it, the fast food companies have basically unlimited monetary resources it would take years and lots of government red tape to even make a dent in their practices. Once a corporation has enough money its basically impossible to shut them down. Look at the cigarette companies EVERYONE knows how bad they are for people and the government cant do shit about it, but if it was a smaller produce you better believe it would be 86'd faster than you could believe
And also, there's no cause/effect evidence that strongly suggests smoking causes cancer. Every study finds correlations between lung cancer and smoking, but the only way to find out true cause and effect would be to randomly select people, tell half of them to smoke for 20 years and test them 20 years later to see who has the cancer.
And also, there's no cause/effect evidence that strongly suggests smoking causes cancer. Every study finds correlations between lung cancer and smoking, but the only way to find out true cause and effect would be to randomly select people, tell half of them to smoke for 20 years and test them 20 years later to see who has the cancer.
DEEPER KEMICAL
03-22-2005, 04:18 PM
i belive it is the peoples fault, but some people have weak wills. and the big corps are making this food very afforadable and they market it to people like that,. i think its a 50/50 thing. peoples wouldnt be so oblidged to purchase a ham,burger if it was 4.00, ya know?
AndreaDanser
04-06-2005, 09:37 PM
Even though this topic is old - I was just catching up on my forum reading and thought I'd add my .02
joeyjoey -
I understand what you are saying and you are right bad foods are marketed everywhere to everyone. In my opinion parents are to blame for their child's poor eating habits. I know that today most families have both parents working and there isn't enough time to prepare a big home cooked dinner, however, that is no excuse. There are tons of healthy meals you can make within 30mins. Trust me - I am the queen of finding ways to make dinner in under 30 mins. There are cook books and magazines devoted to this exact topic. For example: You can saute chicken cutlets (cut into pieces) with almost any kind of vegatable using olive oil and a lil garlic. You can put that over minute rice or pasta or just eat as is. Buy a George Foreman grill and any kind of meat or fish can be ready within 10 mins.
When I was growing up McDonald's was considered a treat. So was having dessert as well as certain snacks like cookies and chips. We didn't have these foods every day or even once a week.
It is the parent's fault because if they started to train their kids the right way early on then there wouldn't be so many problems later. We grew up drinking soda with dinner, but I had friends who were not allowed to have soda - they were only given water or milk with dinner. Its all how the parents raise and teach the kids.
I would also make these last 2 points:
How naive (or dumb) are people if they are so easily manipulated by advertising?
Obesity, like many other problems stem from mental and emotional issues. Often people need to look at those issues first to find out the cause of such over eating.
joeyjoey -
I understand what you are saying and you are right bad foods are marketed everywhere to everyone. In my opinion parents are to blame for their child's poor eating habits. I know that today most families have both parents working and there isn't enough time to prepare a big home cooked dinner, however, that is no excuse. There are tons of healthy meals you can make within 30mins. Trust me - I am the queen of finding ways to make dinner in under 30 mins. There are cook books and magazines devoted to this exact topic. For example: You can saute chicken cutlets (cut into pieces) with almost any kind of vegatable using olive oil and a lil garlic. You can put that over minute rice or pasta or just eat as is. Buy a George Foreman grill and any kind of meat or fish can be ready within 10 mins.
When I was growing up McDonald's was considered a treat. So was having dessert as well as certain snacks like cookies and chips. We didn't have these foods every day or even once a week.
It is the parent's fault because if they started to train their kids the right way early on then there wouldn't be so many problems later. We grew up drinking soda with dinner, but I had friends who were not allowed to have soda - they were only given water or milk with dinner. Its all how the parents raise and teach the kids.
I would also make these last 2 points:
How naive (or dumb) are people if they are so easily manipulated by advertising?
Obesity, like many other problems stem from mental and emotional issues. Often people need to look at those issues first to find out the cause of such over eating.
chachie
04-06-2005, 09:41 PM
hmmm...right now, im gonna go with PEOPLE
youre responsible for your own actions ;)
youre responsible for your own actions ;)
joeyjoey
04-06-2005, 10:22 PM
hmmm...right now, im gonna go with PEOPLE
youre responsible for your own actions ;)
What if you take medication everyday for a few years and later on find out that it destroyed one of your organs? Is it your fault or was it the FDA's responsibility to warn you of the potential adverse effects?
youre responsible for your own actions ;)
What if you take medication everyday for a few years and later on find out that it destroyed one of your organs? Is it your fault or was it the FDA's responsibility to warn you of the potential adverse effects?
chachie
04-06-2005, 10:28 PM
What if you take medication everyday for a few years and later on find out that it destroyed one of your organs? Is it your fault or was it the FDA's responsibility to warn you of the potential adverse effects?
no, then obviously thats different
no, then obviously thats different
AndreaDanser
04-06-2005, 10:40 PM
no, then obviously thats different
Yea - exactly...any medical conditions would not apply here.
Yea - exactly...any medical conditions would not apply here.
joeyjoey
04-06-2005, 10:42 PM
Forget medical conditions. I take Propecia every day to make sure my hair doesn't thin anymore and that isn't a medical condition. My point is that the "government" should take a certain amount of responsibility in warning the public about the potential dangers of products.
chachie
04-06-2005, 10:44 PM
Forget medical conditions. I take Propecia every day to make sure my hair doesn't thin anymore and that isn't a medical condition. My point is that the "government" should take a certain amount of responsibility in warning the public about the potential dangers of products.
yea, but after that,,,its all up to u
yea, but after that,,,its all up to u
AndreaDanser
04-06-2005, 10:46 PM
Forget medical conditions. I take Propecia every day to make sure my hair doesn't thin anymore and that isn't a medical condition. My point is that the "government" should take a certain amount of responsibility in warning the public about the potential dangers of products.
Ok - I understand, but is Propecia making you gain weight? What kinda of warnings did this stuff come with? What do you feel you have not been adequately warned about? Sorry for all the questions - just trying to understand ur situation hun.
Ok - I understand, but is Propecia making you gain weight? What kinda of warnings did this stuff come with? What do you feel you have not been adequately warned about? Sorry for all the questions - just trying to understand ur situation hun.
joeyjoey
04-06-2005, 10:47 PM
yea, but after that,,,its all up to u
That's my point though! After that doesn't apply to fast food because there aren't any warnings. How come a bottle of Tylonel has FDA warnings, yet that new 2000-calorie grease burger doesn't?
That's my point though! After that doesn't apply to fast food because there aren't any warnings. How come a bottle of Tylonel has FDA warnings, yet that new 2000-calorie grease burger doesn't?
joeyjoey
04-06-2005, 10:48 PM
Ok - I understand, but is Propecia making you gain weight? What kinda of warnings did this stuff come with? What do you feel you have not been adequately warned about? Sorry for all the questions - just trying to understand ur situation hun.
There is no situation, lol. It was an example of a medication for a non-medical condition.
There is no situation, lol. It was an example of a medication for a non-medical condition.
chachie
04-06-2005, 10:49 PM
That's my point though! After that doesn't apply to fast food because there aren't any warnings. How come a bottle of Tylonel has FDA warnings, yet that new 2000-calorie grease burger doesn't?
:shrugger lol
:shrugger lol
joeyjoey
04-06-2005, 10:51 PM
:shrugger lol
If you OD'ed on Tylenol and those warnings were't there would it be your fault? FDA = The FOOD and Drug Admin...so where are the labels on food?
If you OD'ed on Tylenol and those warnings were't there would it be your fault? FDA = The FOOD and Drug Admin...so where are the labels on food?
chachie
04-06-2005, 10:55 PM
If you OD'ed on Tylenol and those warnings were't there would it be your fault? FDA = The FOOD and Drug Admin...so where are the labels on food?
im not disagreeing with u on this
obviously, there should be warnings
im not disagreeing with u on this
obviously, there should be warnings
AndreaDanser
04-06-2005, 10:58 PM
There is no situation, lol. It was an example of a medication for a non-medical condition.
LOL - sorry its late and my brain is slowing down - lol.
LOL - sorry its late and my brain is slowing down - lol.
AndreaDanser
04-06-2005, 11:09 PM
If you OD'ed on Tylenol and those warnings were't there would it be your fault? FDA = The FOOD and Drug Admin...so where are the labels on food?
To answer this question (now that I know where you're going with this - lol)...
No, there isn't a warning label on the burger and fries itself, however, these fast food places are required to have nutritional information available on all their food items. I'm not sure what the exact laws are as to how this information is to be displayed, but it is there. How many people ask to see that nutritional information? Maybe the few who are into health, nutrition, and fitness.
What about the food pyramid and dietary guidelines...
we all learned about them in school, we hear about it on tv, we see it in magazines, its in doctor's offices.
http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/food/food-pyramid/main.htm
Speaking of doctors - when you go for your annual check up and the doctor tells you that you are over weight and need to change your diet.
As for TV and other media - even though there are plenty ads for bad food, there are many news headlines about health and nutrition. If you own a TV and can see the ads for McDonald's then you will also hear the warnings on World News Tonight about how a high fat diet leads to obesity, heart attack, diabetes, etc, etc.
To answer this question (now that I know where you're going with this - lol)...
No, there isn't a warning label on the burger and fries itself, however, these fast food places are required to have nutritional information available on all their food items. I'm not sure what the exact laws are as to how this information is to be displayed, but it is there. How many people ask to see that nutritional information? Maybe the few who are into health, nutrition, and fitness.
What about the food pyramid and dietary guidelines...
we all learned about them in school, we hear about it on tv, we see it in magazines, its in doctor's offices.
http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/food/food-pyramid/main.htm
Speaking of doctors - when you go for your annual check up and the doctor tells you that you are over weight and need to change your diet.
As for TV and other media - even though there are plenty ads for bad food, there are many news headlines about health and nutrition. If you own a TV and can see the ads for McDonald's then you will also hear the warnings on World News Tonight about how a high fat diet leads to obesity, heart attack, diabetes, etc, etc.
joeyjoey
04-07-2005, 09:19 AM
To answer this question (now that I know where you're going with this - lol)...
No, there isn't a warning label on the burger and fries itself, however, these fast food places are required to have nutritional information available on all their food items. I'm not sure what the exact laws are as to how this information is to be displayed, but it is there. How many people ask to see that nutritional information? Maybe the few who are into health, nutrition, and fitness.
What about the food pyramid and dietary guidelines...
we all learned about them in school, we hear about it on tv, we see it in magazines, its in doctor's offices.
http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/food/food-pyramid/main.htm
Speaking of doctors - when you go for your annual check up and the doctor tells you that you are over weight and need to change your diet.
As for TV and other media - even though there are plenty ads for bad food, there are many news headlines about health and nutrition. If you own a TV and can see the ads for McDonald's then you will also hear the warnings on World News Tonight about how a high fat diet leads to obesity, heart attack, diabetes, etc, etc.
You're right, most people don't look at the nutritional values (if they're even available) and most Americans don't even get an annual physical examination. But what's the difference between a drug company listing the ingredients to their drugs and McDonald's listing the ingredients to their foods? Of course we wouldn't be able to pronouce the majority of the ingredients, but isn't the label that lists calories/fat/protein, etc a little deceiving, considering that it's loaded with nasty byproducts?
I went a little bit off topic there, but why do you think the FDA would remove supplements like ephedrine, yet leave foods like McDonald's, which probably lead to more heart disease than any other habit?
No, there isn't a warning label on the burger and fries itself, however, these fast food places are required to have nutritional information available on all their food items. I'm not sure what the exact laws are as to how this information is to be displayed, but it is there. How many people ask to see that nutritional information? Maybe the few who are into health, nutrition, and fitness.
What about the food pyramid and dietary guidelines...
we all learned about them in school, we hear about it on tv, we see it in magazines, its in doctor's offices.
http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/food/food-pyramid/main.htm
Speaking of doctors - when you go for your annual check up and the doctor tells you that you are over weight and need to change your diet.
As for TV and other media - even though there are plenty ads for bad food, there are many news headlines about health and nutrition. If you own a TV and can see the ads for McDonald's then you will also hear the warnings on World News Tonight about how a high fat diet leads to obesity, heart attack, diabetes, etc, etc.
You're right, most people don't look at the nutritional values (if they're even available) and most Americans don't even get an annual physical examination. But what's the difference between a drug company listing the ingredients to their drugs and McDonald's listing the ingredients to their foods? Of course we wouldn't be able to pronouce the majority of the ingredients, but isn't the label that lists calories/fat/protein, etc a little deceiving, considering that it's loaded with nasty byproducts?
I went a little bit off topic there, but why do you think the FDA would remove supplements like ephedrine, yet leave foods like McDonald's, which probably lead to more heart disease than any other habit?
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