Savage on Autism

[ShaE]

Anybody else catch this? Jesus christ what an ass. If you want to say autism is overdiagnosed, or mistreated, fine. But don't insult people saying autistic kids are brats. What is it with conservative radio that requires you to be an asshole blowhard?
Savage on autism: "A fraud, a racket. ... In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out"

Summary: On his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage claimed that autism is



"[a] fraud, a racket. ... I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot.' "


http://mediamatters.org/items/200807170005

[jameznyhc]

Anybody else catch this? Jesus christ what an ass. If you want to say autism is overdiagnosed, or mistreated, fine. But don't insult people saying autistic kids are brats. What is it with conservative radio that requires you to be an asshole blowhard?
Savage on autism: "A fraud, a racket. ... In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out"

Summary: On his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage claimed that autism is



"[a] fraud, a racket. ... I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot.' "


http://mediamatters.org/items/200807170005

You were missing last week we had a huge discussion .. if you listen to it in its entirty you would agree with 90% of what he says considering our past discussions .. let me find the thread .. ill post the link so you can catch up

[ShaE]

You were missing last week we had a huge discussion .. if you listen to it in its entirty you would agree with 90% of what he says considering our past discussions .. let me find the thread .. ill post the link so you can catch up

Talk like his is what drives people away from listening to his statements in their entirety. That's my point.

I have a feeling he could make a relevant point, but speaking so offensively deters anyone from hearing wtf you have to say. It's lack of tact and complete sensitivity.

[jameznyhc]

Talk like his is what drives people away from listening to his statements in their entirety. That's my point.

I have a feeling he could make a relevant point, but speaking so offensively deters anyone from hearing wtf you have to say. It's lack of tact and complete sensitivity.

he did .. it was out of context .. he railing against pharmaceuticals, corrupt doctors, ..his brother died and he was mentally retarded .. soi this hits a nerve with him ..if you go to his site you can listen to every one of these points

1. Savage says the real cases of autism need our sympathy and support. Listen

2. Savage says his brother was severely disabled and that misdiagnosis hurts the child. Listen

3. Savage says that the genuinely autistic need as much love and attention as we can give them. Listen

4. Savage talks about his disabled brother who died in a hospital. Listen

5. Savage speaks with Wendy Fournier, President of the National Autism Association. Listen

6. Savage interviews psychiatrist Dr. Peter Breggin. Dr. Breggin says that though there are real cases of autism, those involved in the broadening of its diagnosis are in the pay of pharmaceutical companies. Breggin says Savage is correct that autism is over diagnosed. Listen

7. Savage speaks with Dr. Stephen Camarata of Vanderbilt University who has worked extensively with autistic children. He says that the definition of autism has been expanded too far. Listen

8. Caller Kyle is a school psychologist who works with autistic kids and agrees with Savage on the over diagnosis of autism and how it only hurts the kids who truly have the condition. Listen

9. Caller Susan says her child was labeled autistic by school officials and that she was pressured to sign off on the diagnosis. Listen

10. Caller Tikvah is a therapist in New York City who works with children who says that kids are frequently labeled with autism even though they have other conditions because the agencies are provided with more funds for that diagnosis. Listen

11. Savage says his comments about autism were directed at those who are falsely diagnosed and that he knows what it's like to have a child suffer in front of his eyes. Listen

12. Savage reads from his book Healing Children Naturally where he cautions against the drugging of children. Listen

13. Savage mentions that UK doctors do not screen for autism because screening tools have not been fully validated. Listen

14. Savage says real autism is devastating, but that it's difficult to diagnose, such that the do not screen for it in the UK. Savage says that over diagnosis occurs because of the "autistic spectrum" and this is insulting to the truly ill. Listen

15. Caller Victoria has an autistic child and says it is too easy to get a child diagnosed as autistic. Savage says resources for autism must be reserved for children like hers. Listen

16. Savage says he has devoted his life to helping children and gives the context for his remarks. Listen

17. Savage criticizes doctors for recommending cholesterol drugs on children as young as two. Listen

18. Savage says that though people are making money from false diagnosis, real cases of autism deserve our sympathy and out support. Listen

19. Savage says many experts say that many children are falsely diagnosed. Listen

20. Savage says that real autism is tragic, and that a false diagnosis is a crime against the child.

http://www.savageonautism.com/

[jameznyhc]

Talk like his is what drives people away from listening to his statements in their entirety. That's my point.

I have a feeling he could make a relevant point, but speaking so offensively deters anyone from hearing wtf you have to say. It's lack of tact and complete sensitivity.

its happens to anyone outspoken .. look at bill maher how many times they take him out of context .. except the cheney coment

[ShaE]

its happens to anyone outspoken .. look at bill maher how many times they take him out of context .. except the cheney coment

no, not every person that is outspoken is TACTLESS. I am very outspoken, very opinionated, and I rarely look back on things I've said and feel crass nor do I offend people in my daily life. I know my limits and how to say things delicately.

You ruin the effectiveness of your point if you say it in the most insulting, inflammatory way. it's like my problem with coulter, nobody will listen b/c she's too busy saying things overly-offensively.

maher can be offensive, but most times he's not looking for the shock value of the statement.

taking something out of context is not the same as saying it in a purposely hurtful way.
99% are just brats that haven't been told to shut up? how else would one take that?

[jameznyhc]

no, not every person that is outspoken is TACTLESS. I am very outspoken, very opinionated, and I rarely look back on things I've said and feel crass nor do I offend people in my daily life. I know my limits and how to say things delicately.

You ruin the effectiveness of your point if you say it in the most insulting, inflammatory way. it's like my problem with coulter, nobody will listen b/c she's too busy saying things overly-offensively.

maher can be offensive, but most times he's not looking for the shock value of the statement.

taking something out of context is not the same as saying it in a purposely hurtful way.
99% are just brats that haven't been told to shut up? how else would one take that?

coulter is a fuckin moron ..and an embarassment .. savage on a totally different level ..


An independent-minded individualist, Michael Savage fits no stereotype. He attacks big government and liberal media bias, but champions the environment and animal rights.

Trained as a scientist, he holds Master’s degrees in medical botany and medical anthropology and earned his Ph.D. from the University of California at Berkeley in Epidemiology and Nutritional Science. He spent decades searching and saving tropical rainforests.

Savage is also the author of 18 books including four New York Times Best Sellers: "The Political Zoo", "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder", “The Savage Nation” and “The Enemy Within.”

[Chris]

im pretty tactless sometimes, however i gotta say somehting

i agree somewhat with him in some senses. maybe not his presentation of it, but statistically speaking everyone in NJ's children has fucking autism?!? everyone has ADHD, or ADD? the WHOLE country is sick? come on, there is autism and then theirs aspergers which is a high functioning autism, one of the dudes we work with has this and honestly he can hold a job, conversation, train martial arts, and do insane work, BUT when shit hits the fan and he can live up to his word, then all of a sudden its his autism.. i think alot of it is bullshit. if you have full on autism thats 1 thing, but to have a slight autism like i have slight dyslexia or slight add, is really like my grandfather said
a good swift kick in the ass. Its one thing to have a problem its another thing to use that problem as an excuse.

[jameznyhc]

im pretty tactless sometimes, however i gotta say somehting

i agree somewhat with him in some senses. maybe not his presentation of it, but statistically speaking everyone in NJ's children has fucking autism?!? everyone has ADHD, or ADD? the WHOLE country is sick? come on, there is autism and then theirs aspergers which is a high functioning autism, one of the dudes we work with has this and honestly he can hold a job, conversation, train martial arts, and do insane work, BUT when shit hits the fan and he can live up to his word, then all of a sudden its his autism.. i think alot of it is bullshit. if you have full on autism thats 1 thing, but to have a slight autism like i have slight dyslexia or slight add, is really like my grandfather said
a good swift kick in the ass. Its one thing to have a problem its another thing to use that problem as an excuse.

exactly!

[ShaE]

Its one thing to have a problem its another thing to use that problem as an excuse.

agreed completely, but to say 99% percent of cases are bullshit when kids honestly are suffering is complete bull.

sweeping legit illnesses under the rug is just as bad as treating every behavioral problem as some "sickness" and prescribing meds for it. both are ineffectual and harmful.

[Chris]

agreed completely, but to say 99% percent of cases are bullshit when kids honestly are suffering is complete bull.

sweeping legit illnesses under the rug is just as bad as treating every behavioral problem as some "sickness" and prescribing meds for it. both are ineffectual and harmful.

agreed on both takes 100%

tho the problem is drawing the fine line as to whats real and whats abuse on the docs part i guess.

[metfan85]

agreed completely, but to say 99% percent of cases are bullshit when kids honestly are suffering is complete bull.

sweeping legit illnesses under the rug is just as bad as treating every behavioral problem as some "sickness" and prescribing meds for it. both are ineffectual and harmful.

he said 99% of the kids misdiagnosed just need a kick in the ass.. i remember exactly what he said, I was driving across 125th st in harlem coming home from work when he said it and I knew people were gonna have a hissy fit... the guys done more for children than those losers at mediamatter who only know to criticize have or will ever do.

[JustLikeHeaven]

Who cares about listening to what he said in it's entirety...the fact remains that he still made those disgusting comments which he obv KNEW were going to be incredibly offensive and insensitive.

Whatever his point was, he could have gotten it across without being so obnoxious. That is so appalling...can't believe u guys are actually sticking up for him

[metfan85]

im pretty tactless sometimes, however i gotta say somehting

i agree somewhat with him in some senses. maybe not his presentation of it, but statistically speaking everyone in NJ's children has fucking autism?!? everyone has ADHD, or ADD? the WHOLE country is sick? come on, there is autism and then theirs aspergers which is a high functioning autism, one of the dudes we work with has this and honestly he can hold a job, conversation, train martial arts, and do insane work, BUT when shit hits the fan and he can live up to his word, then all of a sudden its his autism.. i think alot of it is bullshit. if you have full on autism thats 1 thing, but to have a slight autism like i have slight dyslexia or slight add, is really like my grandfather said
a good swift kick in the ass. Its one thing to have a problem its another thing to use that problem as an excuse.

yeah man.. yo this guy was taught was a botanist, into herbal medicine.. eastern philosophies. he was saying how all these overdiagnoses are just part of the medical industry thats making billions off drugging our country.
he might have got it done in a rude way but at least theres a discussion now on irresponsible doctors

[metfan85]

Who cares about listening to what he said in it's entirety...the fact remains that he still made those disgusting comments which he obv KNEW were going to be incredibly offensive and insensitive.

Whatever his point was, he could have gotten it across without being so obnoxious. That is so appalling...can't believe u guys are actually sticking up for him

cuz he didnt say 99% of the cases r bs. I listened to the 84 seconds, literally 84 seconds he spent on the topic and he did not say that George Soros's group, Media Matters has been trying to corner him for years. they are flat out liars and your all falling for the bait

[JustLikeHeaven]

cuz he didnt say 99% of the cases r bs. I listened to the 84 seconds, literally 84 seconds he spent on the topic and he did not say that George Soros's group, Media Matters has been trying to corner him for years. they are flat out liars and your all falling for the bait

Wait are u saying that he really DIDN'T say 99%?? So why has he not denied it then?

[metfan85]

Wait are u saying that he really DIDN'T say 99%?? So why has he not denied it then?

i heard him say it. of course he said it, heck i have the whole episode on my itunes.. he was talking about the kids that are misdiagnosed.
i dont understand how soft this country is where a few words by a doctor on a talk show host about people with misdiagnoses is sog goddamned offensive?

if you really want to learn something autism instead of what mediamatters says why dont you listen to these two clips...





http://www.savageonautism.com/ listen to #7 its Dr. Cammarata of Vanderbilt, whos the leading doctor on autism on research. but of course those who say he said wrong wont listen b/c its easier to read what mediamatters tells you and have a kneejerk reaction

[TheHipHopBillGates]

Who cares about listening to what he said in it's entirety...the fact remains that he still made those disgusting comments which he obv KNEW were going to be incredibly offensive and insensitive.

Whatever his point was, he could have gotten it across without being so obnoxious. That is so appalling...can't believe u guys are actually sticking up for him

you can't just take comments without taking the context though. My nephew is autistic and is far from a spoiled brat, kid is 13 still can't have a conversation with you. However the fact is the government(FDA....etc), Big Pharma etc.....have been marketing and manipulating American's health & laws for capitalistic purposes. Is it any surprise that in the early 90's when the criteria for ADD/ADHD got changed that Prozac & Xanax prescriptions went from like 3-4 Million to like 90 million overnight and nowadays Zoloft outsells Tide, it's not a coincidence.

[JustLikeHeaven]

i heard him say it. of course he said it, heck i have the whole episode on my itunes.. he was talking about the kids that are misdiagnosed.
i dont understand how soft this country is where a few words by a doctor on a talk show host about people with misdiagnoses is sog goddamned offensive?

if you really want to learn something autism instead of what mediamatters says why dont you listen to these two clips...





http://www.savageonautism.com/ listen to #7 its Dr. Cammarata of Vanderbilt, whos the leading doctor on autism on research. but of course those who say he said wrong wont listen b/c its easier to read what mediamatters tells you and have a kneejerk reaction

I don't care about Savage or Media Matters. The whole point that u aren't understanding is that he could have gotten his point across without offending people, especially about such a sensitive issue.

Too soft are u kidding me??! How would u feel if u were the parent or sibling of someone who truly has this disorder and u heard something like that. They have every right to be outraged, it's disgusting.

[TheHipHopBillGates]

yeah man.. yo this guy was taught was a botanist, into herbal medicine.. eastern philosophies. he was saying how all these overdiagnoses are just part of the medical industry thats making billions off drugging our country.
he might have got it done in a rude way but at least theres a discussion now on irresponsible doctors

Did you ever pick up that book I told you about Comfortably Numb? That book is just loaded with nonsense on this topic. There is another good book, although far too conservative right for me called "The Marketing of Evil" that touches on the same topic in one of it's chapters.