Obama Wants To Make Downloading Music a CRIME and a National Security Issue!

[metfan85]

this is unbelievable. he wants the government to be able to go into everyone's computer and search for illegally downloaded music. 1984 He is not making any documents from the multi-nation treaty to be made public as per civil liberties unions request.

[DINO nYc]

If Obama tries to sneak this by, he can say bye bye to re-election.

[Defekted]

It would be helpful to inlcude the actual summary they came out with

http://ustr.gov/assets/Document_Libr...e917_15546.pdf

Lets see where they are going with this. Right now its just discussions.

[Defekted]

http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/2075

[metfan85]

It would be helpful to inlcude the actual summary they came out with

http://ustr.gov/assets/Document_Libr...e917_15546.pdf

Lets see where they are going with this. Right now its just discussions.

How could you even discuss this? They have no jurisdiction to do anything remotely resembling this, many people were hopeful that at least Obama would be good with civil liberties, but as we have come to discover that was full of crap.

Would your opinion be the same if it was Bush who was discussing this?

It's so funny how this man made himself out to be an outsider, with no connections to the Wall St./Military-Industrial/Government-Media/National Security Complexes, even though he is the ultimate company man, and his die-hard supporters are about as open minded as a Bush Republican.

[crazyray™]

How could you even discuss this? They have no jurisdiction to do anything remotely resembling this, many people were hopeful that at least Obama would be good with civil liberties, but as we have come to discover that was full of crap.

Would your opinion be the same if it was Bush who was discussing this?

It's so funny how this man made himself out to be an outsider, with no connections to the Wall St./Military-Industrial/Government-Media/National Security Complexes, even though he is the ultimate company man, and his die-hard supporters are about as open minded as a Bush Republican.

you know what time it is....

[John Kennedy]

The ACTA Treaty this video is referring to is a treaty that was discussed in 2007 among WTO countries. The leaked memo (PDF) from back then caused hysteria among blogwriters because of a few items on a list of suggested "examples of the types of provisions that could be included in the agreement", specifically the language regarding "ex parte searches" (searches by, for example, the RIAA, with a court order but without the actual copyright holder present -- which happen right now every day IF ISPs cooperate). Obama wouldn't be the initiator or sole authority here (or any authority, since this has nothing to do with Obama), so he or any single person in the U.S. probably wouldn't be able to allow FOIA to be applied to a proposed international treaty (which isn't even signed off on yet, or even written up for that matter, the leak was a discussion outline).

Now we can discuss the constitutionality of the U.S. engaging in international treaties as it's own entity without the consent of the people. Or the Patriot act (which it looks like, based on that leak, these provisions were modeled after). We can also discuss domestic wiretaps, warrants, or the U.S. reaching overseas to influence law enforcement that affects this country (as part of the WTO). But to say Obama wants to search your underwear for illegal mp3's is a little bit of a stretch... especially if he was never a part of this discussion in the first place, it's from 2007.

[John Kennedy]

you know what time it is....

[Benny B]

you know what time it is....

[MaXonDuBz]

if this is true.....im getting life

[FAST]

How could you even discuss this? .

exactly....

you know what time it is....

if this is true.....im getting life

[Defekted]

Its a time tested truth of what really separates the paranoid libertarians who think a new world order will take their guns from them and put serial codes on the foreheads of their babies and the people who actually step away from the hysteria, read the facts, and come out with an informed opinion.......

They can keep all the "sheep" photo websites in business. Its a small community circle jerk with these guys.... dellusional and I am more than happy to watch things that they swear will happen never happen.

[Rover]

notice how some just avoid john kennedy's reasonable explanation regarding this matter and instead go directly to the pictures of sheep.

really makes you wonder about the cognitive abilities of some people reading this forum. if only JK could pictionary his thoughts onto here :(

[Defekted]

notice how some just avoid john kennedy's reasonable explanation regarding this matter and instead go directly to the pictures of sheep.

really makes you wonder about the cognitive abilities of some people reading this forum. if only JK could pictionary his thoughts onto here :(

Avoiding facts and reason and replacing debate with pictures speak volumes about people's willingless to do work. It takes WORK to educate one's self to any of the hundreds of current event topics that is brought up here...... from the most random legislation that fails to make it to the cable news networks, to the issues that are in the spotlight...... everything warrants a look at 1) the facts and 2) the various opinions ..... if the facts involve tiny print on many pages, most people will just say fuck it, and put pictures of sheep or a smilie..... im so impressed, really i am.

J.K. is one of the handful of people, regardless of the topic (from economic issues, to government, to forein policy, to social issues), that will take the time to read before posting. So EVERY post he does is an informed one. Which is why he garners the respect of EVERY poster on this website.

[FAST]

you guys make it seem as if you have never ignored a post that pretty much made you wrong,

everyone does it....

but if the oxygen is better up there on your high horse....send me down a ladder





whats up defeckted...when we doing dancing buddy ????

[Rover]

it really is nice up here!!

[FAST]

it really is nice up here!!

[ShaE]

Avoiding facts and reason and replacing debate with pictures speak volumes about people's willingless to do work. It takes WORK to educate one's self to any of the hundreds of current event topics that is brought up here...... from the most random legislation that fails to make it to the cable news networks, to the issues that are in the spotlight...... everything warrants a look at 1) the facts and 2) the various opinions ..... if the facts involve tiny print on many pages, most people will just say fuck it, and put pictures of sheep or a smilie..... im so impressed, really i am.

J.K. is one of the handful of people, regardless of the topic (from economic issues, to government, to forein policy, to social issues), that will take the time to read before posting. So EVERY post he does is an informed one. Which is why he garners the respect of EVERY poster on this website.

[Defekted]

you guys make it seem as if you have never ignored a post that pretty much made you wrong,

everyone does it....

but if the oxygen is better up there on your high horse....send me down a ladder





whats up defeckted...when we doing dancing buddy ????

After I get married cuz..... im a married man in 10 days. So next time I see you, kindly hide all your colombian friends..... my will power to say "no!" to my sweet tooth is still developing.

[jameznyhc]

The ACTA Treaty this video is referring to is a treaty that was discussed in 2007 among WTO countries. The leaked memo (PDF) from back then caused hysteria among blogwriters because of a few items on a list of suggested "examples of the types of provisions that could be included in the agreement", specifically the language regarding "ex parte searches" (searches by, for example, the RIAA, with a court order but without the actual copyright holder present -- which happen right now every day IF ISPs cooperate). Obama wouldn't be the initiator or sole authority here (or any authority, since this has nothing to do with Obama), so he or any single person in the U.S. probably wouldn't be able to allow FOIA to be applied to a proposed international treaty (which isn't even signed off on yet, or even written up for that matter, the leak was a discussion outline).

Now we can discuss the constitutionality of the U.S. engaging in international treaties as it's own entity without the consent of the people. Or the Patriot act (which it looks like, based on that leak, these provisions were modeled after). We can also discuss domestic wiretaps, warrants, or the U.S. reaching overseas to influence law enforcement that affects this country (as part of the WTO). But to say Obama wants to search your underwear for illegal mp3's is a little bit of a stretch... especially if he was never a part of this discussion in the first place, it's from 2007.

From 2007 huh? this report is today .. That Obama wants to criminalize it ..my god your spin is ridiculous lately lol .. listen to the video before commenting .. we are not discussing the BUSH administration this is the Obama administration