the genius that is elway -not

[S.W.A.G]

It wouldnt matter if Andre Johnson and Megatron was with Tebow he is still a awful passing QB what is so hard to comprehend . That is why Denver calls as man running plays as they do . Juat cause he is not hurting the team with turnovers makes him a good QB he is spraying the field with balls and has gotten lucky they been over throws and under throws


Tebow will be out of league in 3 years or moved to another position

[beachman]

It wouldnt matter if Andre Johnson and Megatron was with Tebow he is still a awful passing QB what is so hard to comprehend . That is why Denver calls as man running plays as they do . Juat cause he is not hurting the team with turnovers makes him a good QB he is spraying the field with balls and has gotten lucky they been over throws and under throws


Tebow will be out of league in 3 years or moved to another position

so good wrs would not make his job easier? that is pretty stupid swag- did u watch the game yesterday? he didnt look too bad and his wrs dropped passed too-give him a great run after the catch guy like welker and a stud like megatron and he def ends up looking better-stafford has made some awful and I mean awful throws that megatron turned into tds

[S.W.A.G]

Yeah all wrs drop passes . Roddy White one of best wr in league drops passes . There is a difference when your talking what a elite wr can do to help a QB out . Yea Calvin helps Stafford out a lot with back shoulder throws and jump balls but those plays are 1 out of every 10 passes . You acting like Stafford throws ball up to megatron every time
No it doesnt work like that . Stafford makes throws into coverage . He has timing with megatron

Welker doesnt make Brady . Brady makes Welker put Welker on Denver he has 4 catches 45 yards
On Pats he is a stud


get it

[beachman]

Yeah all wrs drop passes . Roddy White one of best wr in league drops passes . There is a difference when your talking what a elite wr can do to help a QB out . Yea Calvin helps Stafford out a lot with back shoulder throws and jump balls but those plays are 1 out of every 10 passes . You acting like Stafford throws ball up to megatron every time
No it doesnt work like that . Stafford makes throws into coverage . He has timing with megatron

Welker doesnt make Brady . Brady makes Welker put Welker on Denver he has 4 catches 45 yards
On Pats he is a stud


get it

simple question swag-if he had one or two top weapons like most teams do -would that not make his job easier and him a better player? if you cant agree to that there is no point continuing with this discussion

[S.W.A.G]

simple question swag-if he had one or two top weapons like most teams do -would that not make his job easier and him a better player? if you cant agree to that there is no point continuing with this discussion

No it would not make him a better QB

Palko has Bowe/ Baldwin/ Breston and he is a terrible passing QB


You can have weapons but if your a terrible passing QB doesnt matter

Curtis Painter has Garcon/ Collie/ Wayne - he blows

Put a elite QB like Manning in they shine

[beachman]

No it would not make him a better QB

Palko has Bowe/ Baldwin/ Breston and he is a terrible passing QB


You can have weapons but if your a terrible passing QB doesnt matter

Curtis Painter has Garcon/ Collie/ Wayne - he blows

Put a elite QB like Manning in they shine

I would argue they would be even worse with less talent

[igotabs]

Tebow is playing on a team that is winning as he is starting...so it is hard to get on him....but ain't a good passer NOW (regardless his talent around him) If you watch him play, when he does throw the ball, mechanic wise he is so off....his wind up is so slow....

He has a good attitude and will do whatever it takes to win at the end....but do I see in 5 years any of us will be talking about how Tebow is doing at QB....I would't bet on it

His best skill would be at the end of the game if he has a chance to win it...he is a threat

But what is going to happen if his Defene has a bad game and get down early and a team gets that U have to not give Tebow that shot

I wouldn't get to worked up aboyt Tebow winning now...it is a good side story and good for him, but even his GM does not think long term he is the answer he wants

The defense is on the rise though...Elway sees this and wants to develop a qb he likes with them

[S.W.A.G]

I would argue they would be even worse with less talent

who will be worse ? what you talking about .

You think Colts are winless cause of lack of talent or lack of QB play ?

[beachman]

Tebow is playing on a team that is winning as he is starting...so it is hard to get on him....but ain't a good passer NOW (regardless his talent around him) If you watch him play, when he does throw the ball, mechanic wise he is so off....his wind up is so slow....

He has a good attitude and will do whatever it takes to win at the end....but do I see in 5 years any of us will be talking about how Tebow is doing at QB....I would't bet on it

His best skill would be at the end of the game if he has a chance to win it...he is a threat

But what is going to happen if his Defene has a bad game and get down early and a team gets that U have to not give Tebow that shot

I wouldn't get to worked up aboyt Tebow winning now...it is a good side story and good for him, but even his GM does not think long term he is the answer he wants

The defense is on the rise though...Elway sees this and wants to develop a qb he likes with them

he is an ugly passer right now no doubt but he is winning as u say and some wont give him any credit for putting his team in the best position to win- and running like crazy putting up yards and touchdowns-this is the only reason I come to the guys defense-no matter what he does people say he is garbage-why do we play the game to win the game?

secondly tebow has been down in almost every game this year and was able to come back no? with the exception of the lions?

do u think if he had better players around him his job would not be easier?

not for nothing either but mathews shredded their defense part of the reason the impact was not huge was because tebow protects the ball and does not put the defense in a bad position like Orton did with his NINE turnovers

[beachman]

who will be worse ? what you talking about .

You think Colts are winless cause of lack of talent or lack of QB play ?

I would argue the qbs u mention( who suck )would look much worse if they didnt have guys like bowe, wayne etc... to help them out-

[SlickBri481]

No it would not make him a better QB

Palko has Bowe/ Baldwin/ Breston and he is a terrible passing QB


You can have weapons but if your a terrible passing QB doesnt matter

Curtis Painter has Garcon/ Collie/ Wayne - he blows

Put a elite QB like Manning in they shine

I agree with this. A good WR would be wasted in the offense that Denver runs right now. Decker actually seems like he's done a pretty good job though.

I also agree on Palko he is so horrible. I think that Orton will probably start next week, Palko really is not even deserving of an NFL roster spot, he is a horrible passer and turnover machine.

As for Tebow? Yeah, nice story and all, but what is going to happen when they are down 2 TDs to a team like the the Pats early. Tebow still hasn't led his team to a TD in the first half of a game yet, you cannot pull that crap against the Pats who are capable of lighting up even Denver's good defense. He is not turning it over, which gives his team a chance, but he is just mostly an ineffective player who is not capable of leading many scoring drives. Yesterday was not any sort of special comeback, Denver needed 3 possessions in overtime to win it and a missed FG by SD. Tebow was bailed out by his defense (as he always is). It's probably the flukiest winning streak I've ever seen, but it is a threat to the Jets unfortunately.

[igotabs]

I see what you are saying Beach but you come off as giving tebow more credit for these wins than VON MILLER

Not for nothing, some time luck drags out in stretches in this league and we're seeing it now possible

Jets for example played so down to them ......They should have has them finished before the 4th...

[S.W.A.G]

Tebow is down in every game cause he cant fucking throw the ball to start a game off . You think Denver wants to play from behind
Denver has gotten some fortunate bounces . Like Tolbert being stopped and lossing 4 yards before a FG
a missed field goal .

Sanchez throws a pick 6


Denver defense is carrying them but Tebow is making plays when need be so late in games
Willis is also carrying Denver offense

[beachman]

I agree with this. A good WR would be wasted in the offense that Denver runs right now. Decker actually seems like he's done a pretty good job though.

I also agree on Palko he is so horrible. I think that Orton will probably start next week, Palko really is not even deserving of an NFL roster spot, he is a horrible passer and turnover machine.

As for Tebow? Yeah, nice story and all, but what is going to happen when they are down 2 TDs to a team like the the Pats early. Tebow still hasn't led his team to a TD in the first half of a game yet, you cannot pull that crap against the Pats who are capable of lighting up even Denver's good defense. He is not turning it over, which gives his team a chance, but he is just mostly an ineffective player who is not capable of leading many scoring drives. Yesterday was not any sort of special comeback, Denver needed 3 possessions in overtime to win it and a missed FG by SD. Tebow was bailed out by his defense (as he always is). It's probably the flukiest winning streak I've ever seen, but it is a threat to the Jets unfortunately.

is it a fluke he is running for 70+ yards a game? does that production not count? does a qb get judged only on how he throws?

so if he beats the pats what will u say then? I recall people saying no way he runs on the jets-how did that work out on the last drive?

[SlickBri481]

It wouldnt matter if Andre Johnson and Megatron was with Tebow he is still a awful passing QB what is so hard to comprehend . That is why Denver calls as man running plays as they do . Juat cause he is not hurting the team with turnovers makes him a good QB he is spraying the field with balls and has gotten lucky they been over throws and under throws


Tebow will be out of league in 3 years or moved to another position

I think he'll eventually be a situational player who gets 1 or 2 packages a game to run. Maybe even RB or FB in certain areas. He's probably bought himself another season of starting though with this. Elway cannot get rid of him in offseason and even if Broncos draft a QB, Tebow would probably be the starter for the interim.

I also think it's only a matter of time before the turnovers come, if you throw inaccurately you will eventually be picked off a bunch. Plus there will be games where Denver will face big deficits and they will have to throw more to try to catch up and that is when the problems will begin.

[beachman]

I see what you are saying Beach but you come off as giving tebow more credit for these wins than VON MILLER

Not for nothing, some time luck drags out in stretches in this league and we're seeing it now possible

Jets for example played so down to them ......They should have has them finished before the 4th...

I do give tebow more credit than Von Miller but Miller is a beast right now

[igotabs]

Beach I think you are overrating Tebow becaue of how HIS TEAM has been winning

I def think as of now he deserves to start the rest of the season and maybe show us he can at least improve with his passing and who knows

But I feel I need to bring him back down to earth on who he reall is as a qb, with u because u def in my opinion are hyping him up a tad much

[SlickBri481]

is it a fluke he is running for 70+ yards a game? does that production not count? does a qb get judged only on how he throws?

so if he beats the pats what will u say then? I recall people saying no way he runs on the jets-how did that work out on the last drive?

He didn't run on the Jets until that last drive, which never should have even happened. It was the Broncos 13th possession (or maybe 12th), that is a very high number for a game and the outcome should have been decided well before that had the Jets not made so many mistakes. Credit him for taking advantage of the situation that presented itself, but a better team would have put the Broncos away well before that.

I don't see how Denver's offense beats that Pats team. They aren't beating the Pats 16-13. They'd need to score 27+ and I don't see how they do it. I hate to feel like we're running to big brother to do our dirty work for us, but we need the Pats to blow the hell out of them and destroy their confidence for rest of the season.

[S.W.A.G]

I would argue the qbs u mention( who suck )would look much worse if they didnt have guys like bowe, wayne etc... to help them out-

Have you watched there games . Did you watch Palko last night

did you see what Bowe did last play of game

Palko threw a pass so bad Bowe didnt even jump for it and the announcers were killing Bowe

but the pass was brutal

You cant be worse then Palko and Painter right now but Tebow is near them as a bad passing QB but is getting bounces

[beachman]

bottom line for me
tebow is winning , putting up crazy good rushing numbers , coming back to win games when it counts, not turning over the ball and done everything he has been asked of and more-his teamates love him and he is a winner

does he throw an ugly ball you bet he does-sometimes it is painful to watch
do I think he will ever be elite -no I dont -do I think he can be a good serviceable starter with the right cast around him yep I do

do I enjoy watching others make things up as they go along to try and not give tebow credit for any of the wins or stuff he does u bet I do