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    this is too much for a saturday evening.......cliff notes?

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    If Joe Montana is in a position where he has a chance to win it for his team.....salary cap, defense and whatever.....Yes, he wins multiple Sbs

    Plus I don't see how the salary cap has affected Peyton's, Brady's and A-Rod's teams in such a obsticle way as u make it seem

    examples ?
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    In 24 games Montana led his team to 45+ points once. His team won by 45. Rodgers led his team to 45+ once. His team lost. But hey, Joe is clutch. Joe has led his team to 20 or under 6 times, all losses. Rodgers has never led his team to under 20. But hey, Joe has the rings.

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    In Montana's 4 Super Bowl wins, his opponent averaged 16 points per game. He is akin to Tebow, a one-man show. Rodgers could never win a game where his team had to score 17 points, hell in 6 games, his teams have averaged a pathetic 27 PPG. Imagine if he had to put up 17 points on a stacked team that destroyed their opponent's offense? No one in NFL history could do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuZzZ View Post
    this is too much for a saturday evening.......cliff notes?
    I bet Forca that Eli will never win 13 reg season games in his career, a bet he gladly accepted. I just don't think Eli is consistent enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickBri481 View Post
    In 24 games Montana led his team to 45+ points once. His team won by 45. Rodgers led his team to 45+ once. His team lost. But hey, Joe is clutch. Joe has led his team to 20 or under 6 times, all losses. Rodgers has never led his team to under 20. But hey, Joe has the rings.

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    U really can't be that dense bro
    How many times do I have to mention scoring in general was down in that era
    It was more of a fair game for both sides....."THE RULES AGAIN WHERE VERY DIFFERENT AND OF FUCKING COURSE U WILL SEE HIGHER SCORING TODAY"

    Did u really try to bring something as stupid as that up?

    I bet Rodgers has games under 20 if he played those games in the 80s with those rules
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickBri481 View Post
    In Montana's 4 Super Bowl wins, his opponent averaged 16 points per game. He is akin to Tebow, a one-man show. Rodgers could never win a game where his team had to score 17 points, hell in 6 games, his teams have averaged a pathetic 27 PPG. Imagine if he had to put up 17 points on a stacked team that destroyed their opponent's offense? No one in NFL history could do that.
    You are trying to compare avgs of points in two different eras

    and not for nothing GB's Defense was not bad last year...actually they were a top 5 Defense last year...Number 2 overall w/ least points allowed

    Hmmmmmmmmmm and forget the numbers for that Defense....they were number 2 overall in that ERA of 2010, the season they won the SB

    DO we now minus points for that to A-Rod? LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by igotabs View Post
    U really can't be that dense bro
    How many times do I have to mention scoring in general was down in that era
    It was more of a fair game for both sides....."THE RULES AGAIN WHERE VERY DIFFERENT AND OF FUCKING COURSE U WILL SEE HIGHER SCORING TODAY"

    Did u really try to bring something as stupid as that up?

    I bet Rodgers has games under 20 if he played those games in the 80s with those rules
    Link to Jerry Rice and John Taylor dropping 8 passes in a playoff game? Link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by igotabs View Post
    You are trying to compare avgs of points in two different eras

    and not for nothing GB's Defense was not bad last year...actually they were a top 5 Defense last year...Number 2 overall w/ least points allowed

    Hmmmmmmmmmm and forget the numbers for that Defense....they were number 2 overall in that ERA of 2010, the season they won the SB

    DO we now minus points for that to A-Rod? LOL
    My point is, Montana has 4 rings because his D annihilated the competition. Just like Rodgers D did last year. Rings need to be taken with a grain of salt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickBri481 View Post
    I bet Forca that Eli will never win 13 reg season games in his career, a bet he gladly accepted. I just don't think Eli is consistent enough.
    It's not a terrible thought. I've seen this team enough times losing to teams they have no business losing to.

    That being said, this team doesn't need to win 13 games in a season to cement themselves as a good team that can beat anyone. I'd suffice with 10-12 wins a season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuZzZ View Post
    It's not a terrible thought. I've seen this team enough times losing to teams they have no business losing to.

    That being said, this team doesn't need to win 13 games in a season to cement themselves as a good team that can beat anyone. I'd suffice with 10-12 wins a season.
    Fair point. And as a Giant fan, take the wins however they come. But if we are going to compare Eli to all-time greats, I mean you have to be kidding me. Brady and Peyton get 13 wins while sleepwalking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickBri481 View Post
    Link to Jerry Rice and John Taylor dropping 8 passes in a playoff game? Link?
    It was a bad game by the whole offense....A-rod was off on a couple throws and did not seem to have good chemistry that game

    I am sure Montana and many great QBs have had games where balls were dropped

    It happens with every QB

    That is all so the same group(Packers WR core) who many believe is one of the best unit of talent overall (with depth and everything)

    It is not big deal..if U want to believe Joe was not that good and was a product of whatever U want to believe..that is fine
    If you want to believe A-rod will have even better regular seasons than this year (after I pointed out amazing comparable seasons by Marino, Peyton and brady never duplicated by them again) but believe A-rod will keep up that pace on regular season stats and win mulitiple SBs no matter what and if he does not it is because he now has a shitty team..that is ok

    but U will prob believe from now to 2017...there will be 3 other all time greatest ever QBs as the next next 5-6 years play out with every guy who has an MVP season...maybe Luck will be next...and that is fine because that is what kind of fan u are

    It is really easy to make a case for any player that is playing at the top of the sport at the current...and there will be others...u'll see and if u want to go your lifetime saying every other year you are truly seeing the GOAT with a different QB ( I have seen U do it with 3 already in a 5 year span) enjoy it, that is all that matters...I will let there careers play out close to full before I compare it to a guy I seen play his whole career and achieve it and not have it assumed
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    Quote Originally Posted by igotabs View Post
    It was a bad game by the whole offense....A-rod was off on a couple throws and did not seem to have good chemistry that game

    I am sure Montana and many great QBs have had games where balls were dropped

    It happens with every QB

    That is all so the same group(Packers WR core) who many believe is one of the best unit of talent overall (with depth and everything)

    It is not big deal..if U want to believe Joe was not that good and was a product of whatever U want to believe..that is fine
    If you want to believe A-rod will have even better regular seasons than this year (after I pointed out amazing comparable seasons by Marino, Peyton and brady never duplicated by them again) but believe A-rod will keep up that pace on regular season stats and win mulitiple SBs no matter what and if he does not it is because he now has a shitty team..that is ok

    but U will prob believe from now to 2017...there will be 3 other all time greatest ever QBs as the next next 5-6 years play out with every guy who has an MVP season...maybe Luck will be next...and that is fine because that is what kind of fan u are

    It is really easy to make a case for any player that is playing at the top of the sport at the current...and there will be others...u'll see and if u want to go your lifetime saying every other year you are truly seeing the GOAT with a different QB ( I have seen U do it with 3 already in a 5 year span) enjoy it, that is all that matters...I will let there careers play out close to full before I compare it to a guy I seen play his whole career and achieve it and not have it assumed
    Listen you love Montana, and he's certainly a great player. But recognize that he had 4 rings because his D destroyed whatever team they were playing. Like I said, if the Niners scored 20, they won in a laugher. If Rodgers scores 40, the game is in extreme doubt. In fact, a game they lost in 09. Basically, Rodgers role is, score 30+ and you might win if your D lets up less than 40. Montana's role was, captain the ship, throw to GOAT Rice, and your D might allow a TD but only if its bored

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    Montana was so good, he Tebow-ed the competition. Look at the scores by teams Montana beat in the playoffs. By his divine will like Tebow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickBri481 View Post
    Listen you love Montana, and he's certainly a great player. But recognize that he had 4 rings because his D destroyed whatever team they were playing. Like I said, if the Niners scored 20, they won in a laugher. If Rodgers scores 40, the game is in extreme doubt. In fact, a game they lost in 09. Basically, Rodgers role is, score 30+ and you might win if your D lets up less than 40. Montana's role was, captain the ship, throw to GOAT Rice, and your D might allow a TD but only if its bored
    How could he throw to Rice when he won those first TWO SBs without Rice?
    You're head is so thick right now it is not even funny
    You keep trying to compare what the 9ers could avg to win with the Packers..Two offenses that played in two different times

    Today's offense is like arcade like because of the rules being so to make it that way...but yet you can't tell the difference with this debate

    Montana did not have to score 30+ or 40+ more so because other offense were not scorning that in his ERA
    Rodgers may have to score 30+ plus because there are a lot of offenses capable of that..because that is the league we live in today!!!!!!!!!

    And as for your Tebow comments towards Montana and his winning being somewhat like that, is almost as bad as comparing LeBron's non championship playoff play to that of Jordan ever playing ...either that or just bad trolling
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    Quote Originally Posted by igotabs View Post
    How could he throw to Rice when he won those first TWO SBs without Rice?
    You're head is so thick right now it is not even funny
    You keep trying to compare what the 9ers could avg to win with the Packers..Two offenses that played in two different times

    Today's offense is like arcade like because of the rules being so to make it that way...but yet you can't tell the difference with this debate

    Montana did not have to score 30+ or 40+ more so because other offense were not scorning that in his ERA
    Rodgers may have to score 30+ plus because there are a lot of offenses capable of that..because that is the league we live in today!!!!!!!!!

    And as for your Tebow comments towards Montana and his winning being somewhat like that, is almost as bad as comparing LeBron's non championship playoff play to that of Jordan ever playing ...either that or just bad trolling
    The Tebow comment was tongue in cheek. Montana played great, he's a phenomenal player. I don't know if he has had the challenges of having a D ranked almost last in the league though.

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    Wow, no way to compare Rodgers to Montana. Montana is the greatest of all time. 4 for 4 in super bowls, I don't think he ever threw a pick in a super bowl either. The guy is immortal. Rodgers has 1 ring, give me a break.

    And the Eli shit is funny, he won 14 games 5 years ago. Slick you are not the not the brightest crayon in the box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickBri481 View Post
    I bet Forca that Eli will never win 13 reg season games in his career, a bet he gladly accepted. I just don't think Eli is consistent enough.
    Quote Originally Posted by GuZzZ View Post
    It's not a terrible thought. I've seen this team enough times losing to teams they have no business losing to.

    That being said, this team doesn't need to win 13 games in a season to cement themselves as a good team that can beat anyone. I'd suffice with 10-12 wins a season.
    Bullshit, he bet me Eli would never win 13+ games in a SEASON, never said reg season. Something he already has done, but Slick is too proud (read: stupid) to acknowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forca Barca View Post
    Bullshit, he bet me Eli would never win 13+ games in a SEASON, never said reg season. Something he already has done, but Slick is too proud (read: stupid) to acknowledge.
    Guzz is a good representative for your fanbase, which is in general not very quick

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